HomeMy WebLinkAboutPC Minutes 09-10-01 MINUTES
TUSTIN PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
SEPTEMBER 10, 2001
7:00 p.m.
Given
All present
Staff present
Approved
Adopted Resolution No.
3801, as amended
7:02 p.m.
Ludi
Davert
Director
CALL TO ORDER
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
ROLL CALL
Elizabeth Binsack, Community Development Director
Doug Holland, Deputy City Attorney
Doug Anderson, Senior Project Manager-Transportation
Karen Peterson, Senior Planner
Lori Ludi, Associate Planner
Justina Willkom, Associate Planner
Eloise Harris, Recording Secretary
PUBLIC CONCERNS -- None
CONSENT CALENDAR
Minutes of August 27, 2001, Planning Commission
meeting.
It was moved by Davert, seconded by Kozak, to approve
the Consent Calendar. Motion carried 5-0.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 01-022 A REQUEST FOR
AUTHORIZATION TO ESTABLISH TEMPORARY
AGRICULTURAL USES WITHIN THE REGIONAL
CENTER AND THE OFFICE CENTER LAND USE
DESIGNATIONS OF THE PACIFIC CENTER EAST
SPECIFIC PLAN (PCESP). THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED
AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF VALENCIA AND DEL
AMO AVENUES (ASSESSOR'S PARCEL NOS. 430-251-
01/02/03/06/07/08/09/10).
Recommendation: That the Planning Commission adopt
Resolution No. 3801 approving Conditional Use Permit 01-
022.
The Public Hearing opened.
Presented the staff report.
Asked if this is a request to overturn an earlier decision
relating to this applicant and property.
Answered that this application is different from the prior
request; this use will not be occurring in any of the City's
future rights-of-way or construction areas; one of the
concerns with the prior application was that it was
intended to become a perpetual temporary use, thereby
becoming a permanent use; adding a condition of
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Jennings
Peterson
Jennings
Director
Hamilton
Director
Hamilton
Director
Hamilton
Kozak
Director
A.G. Kawamura,
applicant
Pontious
Mr. Kawamura
approval for annual review (or more often) will prevent that
from happening.
Asked for the schedule of the alignment of Del Amo and
the Newport extension.
Stated the first phase of the right-of-way improvements in
that area are scheduled to begin next summer.
Asked, regarding Condition 3.5, what standards regarding
herbicides will be incorporated.
Responded that the applicant would be required to show
staff how this condition is being met.
Asked whether the CEQA exemption in Item G of
Resolution No. 3801 applies to a farming use.
Replied that this exemption is not only a farming use, but
also a temporary use which allows the CEQA exemption.
Asked for staff assurance that all proposed land for
agricultural use will remain the property of the present
owner, i.e. no land will revert to the right-of-way.
Stated the improvement area and construction easement
have been staked, guaranteeing the agricultural use will
be outside those areas.
Asked if the boundary stakes can be supported to assure
that winds or other weather will not knock the stakes
down, thereby creating indistinct boundary lines; and,
asked, in order to avoid confusion in the future, if
Condition 2.1 could be modified to read: "The Community
Development and Public Works Departments shall review
and approve the plans and any substantial modifications
prior to commencement of or during agricultural
operations."
Referring to Condition 3.1, asked how the hours of
operation will relate to the City's Noise Ordinance.
Answered that the City's Noise Ordinance pertains to the
operation of any heavy equipment within the City; if there
are special circumstances, this condition allows some
latitude; a waiver could be requested and would probably
be granted for this site.
Thanked staff for their recommendation of approval of this
operation; stated the 60-day cancellation requirement in
Condition 1.6 could be difficult to meet depending upon
the crop; and, stated fencing is also a concern.
Asked if the applicant understood and agreed to the hours
of operation constraints.
Answered that agriculture does not operate on a time
clock, making this a difficult condition; and, stated his
understanding there would be some latitude allowed at
harvest time.
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Director
Hamilton
Mr. Kawamura
Director
Mr. Kawamura
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Kozak
Director
Mr. Kawamura
Director
Hamilton
Davert
Mr. Kawamura
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Houston Watson, attomey
representing the Orange
County Teachers Federal
Credit Union
Asked staff if language could be added to allow for the
issuance of a waiver.
Suggested adding at the end of the last sentence of
Condition 3.1: "unless a special exception is granted by
the Community Development Director." Also, Condition
2.2 regarding fencing the site can be removed; that
condition is designed for construction sites.
Asked the applicant if a 90-day requirement would be
more feasible.
Responded that such a 90-day requirement presents a
more realistic time frame in terms of food crops.
Indicated the condition can be amended to read 120 days.
Noted this would also set a good precedent for any
farming planned in the development of the Base; and,
stated that Condition 1.7 for a $7,000 cash bond has
never been required on any of his leases.
Stated her understanding that the intent of this condition is
avoidance of litigation.
Offered the suggestion that this condition could be
achieved with other financial instruments, such as a letter
of credit.
Stated "or equivalent surety" could be added after cash
bond.
Indicated the $7,000 figure seems high.
Replied that this figure was provided by the City's
landscape supervisor.
Suggested half that amount might be more realistic.
Stated that arbitrarily choosing numbers is not a good
idea; and, added the alternative suggested by
Commissioner Kozak would reduce the applicant's burden
to almost nothing.
Restated his appreciation for the staff's hard work and the
Commission's approval of the project.
Invited other speakers to come forward.
Stated the Teachers Federal Credit Union is housed in
one of the buildings in close proximity to this project; the
Union wants its objection to this permit on record;
commended City staff for the job done in negotiating the
terms and conditions set forth in the report; the Union's
major concern is the 375 employees who work in its
building near the site; the distance from the boundary to
the Union's front door is approximately 150 feet; 250 ATM
transactions occur at this facility each day; another 200 or
more transactions take place within the building; outside
people attend meetings there; the environmental impact of
pesticides, noise, dust, etc., associated with agricultural
activity on these individuals is the Union's major concern;
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7:30 p.m.
Davert
Kozak
Davert
Director
Mr. Watson
Holland
Davert
Hamilton
Director
Mr. Kawamura
Adopted Resolution No.
3802, as amended
use of Federal- and State-approved pesticides is no
guarantee that such use is harmless (DDT and asbestos
were once considered safe); an article in Saturday's Los
Angeles Times reported a suit stemming from pesticide
drips onto a school from an agricultural site at its
boundaries; an injunction was granted by the Ventura
Superior Court.
The Public Hearing closed.
Stated his satisfaction that staff and the applicant have
ironed out any differences on this project; stated his
understanding of the Credit Union's concerns; noted the
conditions sufficiently mitigate those potential impacts;
and, stated he supports the project with the modifications
suggested.
Echoed Commissioner Davert's comments; and, added he
supports approval of the application as modified.
Asked if staff has any concerns regarding the comments
by Mr. Watson.
Answered that staff believes the conditions attached to the
approval address the Union's concerns; to alleviate some
concern, there are similar operations in Old Town Tustin
which have never created a problem; there may be similar
or more intensive chemicals and planting materials used
by landscapers and gardeners.
Returned to the lectern to ask that applicant be required to
have a licensed pest control adviser--similar to the one
ordered in the Ventura case--on site during pesticide
applications.
Stated that insecticide applications are controlled by
inspectors from the Agricultural Commissioner; adequate
rules and laws provide for the protection of citizens.
Suggested that Mr. Kawamura probably knows more
about pesticides that most licensed pest control
consultants.
Asked staff if a reporting requirement should be included
in Condition 3.5.
Answered that showing compliance would be a reporting
requirement.
Stated that any pesticide application in California is
governed by the strictest rules in the nation; landscapers
and gardeners often use products that are disallowed on
food crops.
It was moved by Davert, seconded by Jennings, to adopt
Resolution No. 3801, as amended. Motion carried 5-0.
DESIGN REVIEW 01-026 AND AMENDMENT TO
TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NO. 15568 A REQUEST FOR
AUTHORIZATION TO CONSTRUCT VEHICULAR AND
PEDESTRIAN GATES AND ASSOCIATED WALLS,
PILASTERS, AND FENCES AT THE ENTRANCE TO
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7:39 p.m.
Lori Ludi
Jennings
Davert
Anderson
Davert
Hamilton
Director
Jennings
Hamilton
Kozak
Hamilton
TRACT 15568 (SEDONA HOMEOWNERS
ASSOCIATION). THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED AT
PIONEER ROAD AND SCHWENDEMAN AVENUE IN THE
EAST TUSTIN SPECIFIC PLAN, MEDIUM-LOW SINGLE
FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
Recommendation: That the Planning Commission adopt
Resolution No. 3802 approving Design Review No. 01-026
and recommending that the City Council approve an
amendment to Tentative Tract Map 15568.
The Public Hearing opened.
Presented the staff report.
Asked if staff believes the park has sufficient parking
spaces available; and, asked if there is a way to mitigate
the parking problem at the park.
Asked if the plan to expand the parking lot has been
postponed.
Stated that the City Council has eliminated that parking lot
plan from the budget.
Noted that Sedona definitely needs a gate due to the
overflow traffic into the neighborhood; stated he visited the
site and tried to envision the stacking and overflow onto
Pioneer while watching cars moving rapidly down Pioneer
with little regard for cars turning into or out of the
development; the proposed requirement that the gate be
kept open defeats the purpose of gating the community--
especially in the afternoon hours when the park is quite
active; the restriction on the hours is a problem.
Suggested the possibility of someone parking inside while
the gates are open and being unable to leave after the
gates are locked.
Noted that anyone unable to leave would probably only do
it once and would probably wait for another car to exit in
order to get out; the homeowners association could put up
signs prohibiting parking on the interior of the tract; staff
envisioned this happening and asked for additional
staging or stacking when the homeowners association
chose to put in the fence but were told the market did not
call for gated communities; if the Traffic Engineer feels it is
important to leave the gate open during those hours, that
would be staffs recommendation.
Asked if it would be possible to have signs posted that
indicate hours the gates are locked.
Stated there might be security issues involved in posting
open hours.
Asked if Commissioner Hamilton was concerned about
the homeowners association's or the City's liability.
Answered that criminals could read the sign and know
when to enter and leave.
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Pontious
Hamilton
Ludi
Kozak
Anderson
Kozak
Anderson
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Davert
Hamilton
Ludi
Jennings
Anderson
Jennings
Noted that is the least likely time for any criminal activity.
Asked if the gates are pockets or swinging.
Responded the gates are sliding.
Asked for follow-up discussion on the issue of through
traffic and ingress and egress into Sedona.
Replied that the stacking distance provided is presently 69
feet; the County's and City's standards for stacking
distance are one foot per vehicle per household in the
peak hours; in this case, there are 130 households
needing 130 feet of stacking distance to accommodate
ingress and egress during the peak hours of 7:00 a.m. to
9:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. on weekdays; as
mitigation for the difference in stacking distance from what
would be required of 130 feet versus 69 feet available,
leaving the gates open during peak hours would facilitate
traffic without stacking into the public right-of-way; there
are other locations in East Tustin where gates are left
open due to insufficient stacking distance; regarding the
through traffic, everyone has to stop on Schwendeman
before leaving the property; the curve of the roadway
allows a clear view for the people leaving Schwendeman
on both sides up and down Pioneer; the limiting view is for
vehicles traveling on Pioneer.
Suggested relocating the median strip as it exists today to
gain additional stacking space.
Stated various alternatives were considered; the majority
involved impacting adjacent properties; additional right-of-
way from those lots would have been required to provide
additional stacking distance; another obstacle was the
inadequate turn-around area for fire vehicles.
Asked if language could be added allowing the
homeowners association to come back to the Commission
in the event keeping the gates open presents a problem.
Suggested that Sedona's considerable investment should
not be conditioned to the point where effectiveness will be
limited.
Asked if moving the gates back toward the development
would add 30 feet.
Stated that one of the problems was working with the
Orange County Fire Authority to make a right-hand tum
onto Goetting from Schwendeman; moving the gates back
would make it impossible for a fire engine to make a right-
hand turn.
Asked if each resident entering when the gate is closed
must use the keypad.
Answered there is also a call box.
Suggested that an electronic device for the residents
might alleviate the stacking problem.
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Director
Pontious
Hamilton
Pontious
Davert
Director
Anderson
Ramon Calles,
representative for Rick
Hamm Construction, Inc.
Kozak
Anderson
Kozak
8:07 p.m.
Davert
Pontious
Director
Peterson
Suggested modifying Condition 3.1 to read "The City's
Traffic Engineer may modify the required open hours or
require the gates be open during extended hours .... "; the
most important concern seems that stacking might impede
the through traffic on Pioneer Road.
Stated that would also allow the homeowners association
to come to the Traffic Engineer and request modification
of the hours.
Noted his agreement with the remote control device
suggestion.
Agreed with Commissioner Hamilton, stating such a
device would allow for a more continuous flow of traffic
through the gates.
Asked if eliminating or narrowing the center median would
allow for two lanes in and one out.
Suggested that modification would require striping to
clearly indicate two lanes into the tract.
Added the gates would then have to swing open rather
than slide, because two cannot slide into one.
Stated his understanding of the stacking concern; 24 feet
6 inches would allow for two cars without modifying the
plan.
Asked if additional footage could be gained by reducing
the median.
Stated the problem is at the opening where two lanes
funnel into one lane.
Suggested natural material could be used to demarcate a
line rather than just painting a stripe; since there are
already two lanes, marking seems advisable.
The Public Hearing closed.
Stated this is the most deserving development in the City
for locked gates; and, reiterated his hope that flexibility
can be allowed for some type of monitoring or study if the
homeowners association makes such a request.
Asked for staff's modification covering this.
Stated the second sentence of Condition 3.1 will be
modified to read: "The City's Traffic Engineer may modify
the required open hours or require the gates to be open
during extended hours if traffic impcts are identified in
accordance with Condition 3.2 of this Exhibit."
Provided a new Condition 3.4 as follows: "The Sedona
Homeowners Association shall install and maintain a
remote access system and shall provide remote devices
to each resident to facilitate quick access into the tract."
It was moved by Kozak, seconded by Hamilton, to adopt
Resolution No. 3802, as amended. Motion carried 5-0.
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Adopted Resolution Nos.
3774 and 3775, as
amended
8:10 p.m.
Willkom
Holland
Director
Pontious
Jennings
Willkom
Leslie Daigle, a
representative for AT&T
and Verizon Wireless
CONTINUED HEARING REGARDING ORDINANCE NO.
1232 AND DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR ABOVEGROUND
UTILITY FACILITIES ON PUBLIC PROPERTIES AND IN
THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.
Recommendation:
That the Planning Commission:
Adopt Resolution No. 3774 recommending that the City
Council adopt the Negative Declaration for the approval
of Ordinance No. 1232 and Resolution No. 00-44 for
the Design Guidelines for Aboveground Utility Facilities
on Public Properties and in the Public Right-of-way.
Adopt Resolution No. 3775 recommending that the
City Council adopt: 1) Ordinance No. 1232, repealing
Part 6 of Chapter 2 of Article 7 (Design Review of
Aboveground Cabinets) in its entirety and replacing
with new requirements for aboveground utility facilities
on public properties and in the public right-of-way, and
2) Resolution No. 00-44 repealing Resolution No. 99-
84 related to Design Guidelines for Aboveground
Cabinets and replacing with Design Guidelines for
Aboveground Utility Facilities on Public Properties and
in the Public Right-of-way.
The Public Hearing opened.
Presented the staff report.
Added that the Ordinance should not say "repealing" Part
6 of Chapter 2 of Article 7 but "amending."
Noted the commentors' concern regarding too much
discretion being left at the Director level; stated the only
alternatives were going before the Zoning Administrator or
the Planning Commission; and, stated this was the best
administrative process to go through as long as the
Planning Commission approved the Design Guidelines.
Stated her understanding that this format provides more
flexibility for the City to work with applicants and
incorporate new technologies as they are developed.
Asked about the condition that landscaping be replaced
and maintained and PacBell's indication that they never
maintain landscaping.
Answered there are two requirements regarding
landscaping: 1) the providers must replace any
landscaping that is damaged during construction;
maintenance would be performed as prior to the
construction, i.e. if the City maintained the landscaping,
the City would continue to do so; and 2) when landscaping
is added as screening material, the providers are required
to maintain the landscaping.
Stated there are more than 120 million wireless
subscribers in the United States today; the goal is to
provide every community with a wireless world; the hope
is that cities will establish reasonable standards and allow
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Pontious
Director
8:24 p.m.
Director reported
Hamilton
Kozak
Jennings
applications to be processed administratively; the major
concern is that the Design Review committee might
improperly introduce discretion in the right-of-way; the
option to submit a manual in lieu of Design Review seems
vague in the Ordinance; since technology is deliberately
designed for residential areas, the prohibition from front
yards is a concern.
Asked for staff responses.
Indicated staff worked to create a contemporary
Ordinance providing as much flexibility as possible;
everything included in this Ordinance is already allowable
under the encroachment permit process; the difficulty
stems from the numerous requests to locate on various
public properties, i.e. the SportsPark, commuter rail
station, etc.; this typically requires a competitive bid
process which does not work with these types of facilities;
it was therefore necessary to establish guidelines that
could be handed to applicants stating the process; if the
guidelines are too definitive, there is no room for flexibility;
technology exists to locate the facilities in side yards; the
comprehensive manual was included in the prior
Ordinance at the request of the Edison Company and is
designed to speed up the processing time.
The Public Hearing closed.
It was moved by Jennings, seconded by Davert, to adopt
Resolution Nos. 3774 and 3775, as amended. Motion
carried 5-0.
REGULAR BUSINESS - None
STAFF CONCERNS
Report on Actions taken at the September 4, 2001, City
Council meeting.
Nothing from the City Council meeting.
The Planning Officials Forum is scheduled for the second
Thursday in October. Please inform the Director or
Recording Secretary if you wish to attend.
COMMISSION CONCERNS
Thanked Home Depot, Orange County Animal Control, and
the Orange County Fire Authority personnel for saving the
cat recently rescued through their efforts.
Complimented staff's work on the aboveground facility
Ordinance and the outreach which was provided to explain
the City's process.
Referred to a recent newspaper article concerning traffic-
calming efforts by the City of Oceanside; and, suggested a
workshop by the Engineering and Planning Departments on
this subject would be useful.
Asked what is happening on the double lot on Newport
Avenue.
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Ludi
Jennings
Holland
Davert
Pontious
Ludi
Pontious
Director
8:35 p.m.
Responded that the previous owner has gone into
foreclosure; the company involved in financing that
applicant is putting the property up for sale; Dr. Shepherd is
therefore unable to begin due to the conditions of approval
requiring the entire site be developed.
Asked if there is any way to assist Dr. Shepherd.
Responded that the situation is awkward because this is a
matter that could be coming before the Planning
Commission soon; staff is looking at different alternatives to
see what can be done; all the entitlements were approved
as a total project; when one bows out, much depends upon
whether the current or future owner will cooperate.
Stated his enthusiasm for the traffic-calming workshop
suggested by Commissioner Kozak.
Thanked staff for the ISO/Building Code memorandum.
Asked staff why the tent sale has been going on for two-
three weeks at Oak Tree Plaza.
Answered that a Temporary Use Permit was issued for that
sale.
Asked about the construction at the abandoned gas station
at Nisson and Newport.
Stated that is Tustin Transmission.
ADJOURNMENT:
The next regular meeting of the Planning Commission is
scheduled for Monday, September 24, 2001, at 7:00 p.m. in
the Council Chamber at 300 Centennial Way.
'~iizabeth-,~,. Bin~ack - - -
Planning Commission Secretary
Leslie A. Pontious
Chairperson
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