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TUSTIN PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
SEPTEMBER 9v 1991
CALL TO ORDER: 7:04 p.m., City Council Chambers
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/INVOCATION
ROLL CALL= Present: Le Jeune, Baker, Kasparian, Kasalek
and Weil
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ELECTION OF OFFICERS
Commissioner Weil nominated, Kasparian seconded Commissioner Baker
for Chairman. Motion carried 5-0.
Commissioner Kasalek nominated, Baker seconded
Kasparian for Vice Chairman. Motion carried 5-0.
Commissioner
Commissioner Le Jeune thanked the staff for the extraordinary
amount of help they gave during his term.
CONSENT CALENDAR:
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MOTION. THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION
OF THESE ITEMS PRIOR TO THE TIME OF THE VOTING
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COMMISSION, STAFF OR PUBLIC REQUEST SPECIFIC
ITEMS TO BE DISCUSSED AND/OR REMOVED FROM THE
CONSENT CALENDAR FOR SEPARATE ACTION.)
1. Minutes of the August 26, 1991 Planning Commission meeting.
2. Final Tract Maps 13030 and 13038
SUBJECT:
APPLICANT/
OWNER:
LOCATION:
ZONING:
ENVIRONMENTAL
STATUS-.
REQUEST:
FINAL TRACT MAPS 13030 AND 13038
IRVINE PACIFIC
550 NEWPORT CENTER DRIVE, SUITE 700
NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658-8904
13408 HERITAGE WAY AND 13202 MYFORD ROAD
EAST TUSTIN SPECIFIC PLAN: MEDIUM-HIGH DENSITY
RESIDENTIAL
THIS PROJECT IS CONSIDERED MINISTERIALLY EXEMPT
PURSUANT TO SECTION 15268(b) OF THE CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT
1. AUTHORIZATION TO SUBDIVIDE 15.427 ACRES INTO
SIX NUMBERED LOTS AND FOUR LETTERED LOTS
Planning Commission Minutes
September 9, 1991
Page 2
ACCOMMODATING 266 MULTIPLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL
DWELLINGS
AUTHORIZATION TO SUBDIVIDE 16.112 ACRES INTO
SEVEN NUMBERED LOTS AND FIVE LETTERED LOTS
ACCOMMODATING 252 MULTIPLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL
DWELLINGS
Recommendation - It is recommended that the Planning Commission
take the following actions: 1. Adopt Resolution No. 2944
forwarding Final Tract Map 13030 to the City Council recommending
approval; and 2. Adopt Resolution No. 2945 forwarding Final Tract
Map 13038 to the City Council recommending approval.
Commissioner Weil moved, Le Jeune seconded to approve the Consent
Calendar. Motion carried 5-0.
PUBLIC HEARINGS:
3. Conditional Use Permit 91-14
APPLICANT:
OWNER:
LOCATION:
ZONING:
ENVIRONMENTAL
STATUS:
REQUEST:
TUSTIN HEALTH GROUP, INC.
14662 NEWPORT AVENUE
TUSTIN, CA 92680
HEALTHCARE TUSTIN INC.
c/o EASELY MC CALEB STALLINGS
P.O. BOX 796847
DALLAS, TX 75379
14662 NEWPORT AVENUE
PUBLIC AND INSTITUTIONAL (P&I)
THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE
CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT (CLASS 11) PURSUANT TO THE
PROVISIONS OF SECTION 15311 OF THE CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT
AUTHORIZATION TO ERECT THREE (3) 100-SQUARE FOOT
WALL SIGNS AS MODIFIED AT 14662 NEWPORT AVENUE IN
CONJUNCTION WITH A MEDICAL FACILITY
RECOMMENDATION - Pleasure of the Planning Commission.
Presentation: Becky Stone, Assistant Planner
Commissioner Le Jeune asked if off-site directional signs were
permitted in the Sign Code.
Staff replied that these will be off-site directional signs that
are excluded in the Sign Code because they constitute public
information signs; and that help will be sought from the
Engineering Department.
Commissioner Kasparian asked if they would be placed at various
intersections around the hospital.
Staff replied that they will be placed at the 55 Freeway/McFadden
offramp, Newport/McFadden, and the Newport/5 Freeway offramp.
The Director stated that the Public Works department has full
direction regarding these signs; and that anything in the Caltrans
right-of-way requires Caltrans approval.
Commissioner Le Jeune asked if granting this application would be
making an exception.
Planning Commission Minutes
Septen%ber 9, 1991
Page 3
Staff replied that the applicant would like to change their name to
Tustin Hospital.
The Director stated that the business identification sign does not
have to be the same as the business license.
The Public Hearing was opened at 7:13 p.m.
Charles Rokicki, Promotional Signs Unlimited, thanked the
Commissioners for their guidance at the last meeting; that the
principals were receptive to simplifying the name and reducing the
square footage; and that the signs would be attractive on all three
sides of the building.
Commissioner Le Jeune noted that the drawings still indicate four
(4) foot lettering.
Mr. Rokicki stated that the concern at the last meeting was not so
much the height of the letters but the square footage; that four
(4) foot lettering provides the visibility the hospital needs.
Commissioner Weil stated that it is seldom that an applicant
returns with exactly what the Commission requests and felt that the
four (4) foot letters would get their message across.
The Director stated that the tape of the minutes revealed that the
comments were relative to limiting the height to three (3) feet,
but were leaving the decision to the discretion of the Commission.
Commissioner Kasparian asked if the color change would be a
problem; and noted that green may diffuse on a foggy night.
Staff replied negatively.
The Public Hearing was closed at 7:18 p.m.
Commissioner Baker received a consensus regarding changing the
lettering height to four (4) feet.
Commissioner Well moved, Kasalek seconded to adopt Resolution
No.2941 approving Conditional Use Permit 91-14, to allow three (3)
100-square foot wall signs on the west, north and south elevations
of the medical facility located at 14662 Newport Avenue as modified
and conditioned. Motion carried 5-0.
4. Conditional Use Permit 91-16
APPLICANT:
OWNER:
LOCATION:
ZONING:
OKA-PROTHERO, ARCHITECTS
1920 E. KATELLA AVENUE, SUITE S
ORANGE, CA 92667
WALLACE ENDERLE TRUST
14032 ENDERLE CENTER DRIVE, 3110
TUSTIN, CA 92680
14082 ENDERLE CENTER
PLANNED COMMUNITY - COMMERCIAL (PC-C)
ENVIRONMENTAL
STATUS:
THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE
CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT (CLASS 11) PURSUANT TO SECTION
15311 OF THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT
(CEQA)
Planning Commission Minutes
September 9, 1991
Page 4
REQUEST:
TO AMEND CUP 74-9 TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF A
PARKING LOT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF ENDERLE
CENTER AND VANDENBERG LANE WHERE AN OFFICE BUILDING
WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED
RECOMMENDATION - It is recommended that the Planning Commission
approve Conditional Use Permit 91-16 by adopting Resolution No.
2947 as submitted or revised.
Presentation: Becky Stone, Assistant Planner
Commissioner Kasparian asked if the reciprocal agreement was with
the current owners.
The Director replied that it was a covenant restriction that runs
with the land, not the owner.
The Public Hearing was opened at 7:23 p.m.
Walt Baule, 17531 Via Lindo, Tustin, stated that accessibility via
Vandenberg would create increased noise under their bedroom window,
quite likely at 2:00 a.m. when the employees leave; and asked if it
was possible to change the access to Enderle Way to alleviate this.
Commissioner Le Jeune asked if there was a wall between Enderle
Lane and their property.
Mr. Baule replied that there is a wall.
Commissioner Weil asked if there was much nighttime traffic on
Vandenberg.
Mr. Baule affirmed and stated that the freeway construction has
increased their traffic, and that the grocery trucks also utilize
Vandenberg; that the traffic currently ceases around 9:00, but that
this might increase the traffic again at 1:30-2:00; and he noted
that he is speaking as the president of the homeowners association
as well as personally.
Commissioner Kasparian empathized with Mr. Baule, and noted that he
also uses Vandenberg to avoid the traffic on 17th Street.
Craig Oka, 1920 E. Katella, Oka-Prothero Architects, appreciated
the speaker's comments; stated that the Planning and Traffic
departments suggested the access be on Vandenberg since there is
already two (2) curb cuts on Enderle; and that they would be
amenable to the change.
Commissioner Kasparian asked who the parking was being built for.
Mr. Oka replied that it is for overflow and employee parking for
Enderle Center.
Commissioner Kasalek asked if it was probable that employees would
be leaving at 2:00 a.m.
Mr. Oka replied that the shops close in the early evening; that the
late dinner clientele would be able to park near the shops; but
that employees may have to park there.
The Public Hearing was closed at 7:33 p.m.
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September 9, 1991
Page 5
Commissioner Weil stated that she understood the need to make fewer
curb cuts, but that they should make the area more bearable for the
residents.
The Director replied that this is an information item from the
Public Works Department; that Vandenberg provides relief to 17th
Street; and that they should refer the matter to Public Works
before a decision is made.
Commissioner Baker asked if the applicant would consider continuing
the matter for two weeks.
Mr. Oka affirmed.
Commissioner Le Jeune moved, Weil seconded to continue the item to
the next meeting in order to obtain approval from the City's
traffic engineer to change the curb cut from Vandenberg Lane to
Enderle Center. Motion carried 5-0.
5. Variance 91-14
APPLICANT:
TOKYO LOBBY RESTAURANT
13951 CARROLL WAY
TUSTIN, CA 92680
OWNER:
LOCATION:
ZONING:
ENVIRONMENTAL
STATUS:
REQUEST:
TUSTIN RETAIL LTD.
c/o WILLIAM P. FOLLEY III
2100 S.E. MAIN STREET, #400
IRVINE, CA 92714
13951 CARROLL WAY
TUSTIN, CA 92680
RETAIL COMMERCIAL (C-l)
THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE
CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT (CLASS 11) PURSUANT TO THE
PROVISIONS OF SECTION 15311 OF THE CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT
AUTHORIZATION TO ALLOW AN OFF-PREMISE SIGN FOR THE
RESTAURANT LOCATED AT 13951 CARROLL WAY TO BE
LOCATED ON A STRUCTURE AT 13931 CARROLL WAY
RECOMMENDATION - It is recommended that the Planning Commission
deny Variance 91-14 by adopting Resolution No. 2946.
Presentation: Becky Stone, Assistant Planner
Staff made changes to Resolution No. 2946, as moved.
The Director provided a stamped set of plans with the address of
the business as identified by the applicant; a copy of the building
permit showing another address; stated that on the advice of the
city Attorney's office, they revoked the building permit.
Commissioner Weil asked for a clarification of the application for
a sign permit.
Staff described the process for submittal through approval of a
sign permit.
The Director clarified that once the plans leave the planner, they
are then issued over the counter; the applicant pays fees and that
is the last they see of it until it is called out for inspection.
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September 9, 1991
Page 6
Commissioner Weil asked if the application for the sign permit and
the plans do not get together.
The Director affirmed, until later in the process.
Staff stated that the misleading point was that there was no
information on the plans indicating that the tenant was not in the
building listed on the plans.
Commissioner Weil asked if this was normal.
The Director replied that the applicant is required to provide the
locational information; and that in this case they applicant did
not supply other than the address.
Commissioner Le Jeune asked when their existing building signs were
installed.
Staff replied March 1990.
The Public Hearing was opened at 7:45 p.m.
Gilbert Nishimura, spokesperson for Tokyo Lobby Restaurant, stated
that the plans were submitted with the address being 13931; that
the mistake was innocent; that their lease grants signage rights on
the building facing the freeway; that there are three (3) buildings
on one (1) parcel; that they carefully indicated the placement of
the signage on the application; that their receipt shows that the
City was aware that the business location was 13951 even though
they were requesting signage on 13931; he questioned the issue of
off-site signage since it is on the same parcel; that there should
be no objection to the signage; that the cost of $6,500 would
create a hardship if the sign is removed and might imply that the
restaurant is out of business; and that the service station's off-
site sign sets a precedent.
Commissioner Kasparian asked when the applicant saw the Mimi's
Plaza sign program; and if he was aware of Item F regarding the
prohibition of freeway signs.
Mr. Nishimura affirmed that the sign code was presented upon
signing of the lease; that the lease had an exception to the sign
program allowing freeway signage on the other building; and that
the landlord recommended a sign contractor.
Commissioner Le Jeune stated the sign permit was issued March 28,
and asked when they installed the sign; and when the enforcement
notice was received.
Mr. Nishimura replied that they hung the sign in the beginning of
May, and received the notice in June.
Staff replied that the first code enforcement was issued June 6.
Mr. Nishimura stated that there were ongoing conversations with the
City after the first notice.
Commissioner Weil asked if they were a tenant when the sign code
was approved in 1989; if Mimi's Plaza indicated they were exempt
from the sign program; and asked if a copy of the lease was
available.
Mr. Nishimura replied that they became a tenant in 1990; that there
is an amendment in the lease giving express signage rights on that
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September 9, 1991
Page 7
building; that he did not have a copy of the lease available, but
that is what was presented; and that they would like to work with
the Commission to accommodate any requirements.
Keiko Moore, representing Tokyo Lobby Restaurant, stated that she
contracted the sign company after the landlord informed them that
the lease allowed a freeway sign; that the same person who approved
the plan wrote their correct address on the permit; and that it is
not their fault and should not be responsible for the cost of the
sign if it is removed.
Commissioner Kasparian asked which building 13951 was; and if that
was where the restaurant was located; and what address was given
when they applied.
Ms. Moore replied that 13951 was building number three and that was
their location; and that they applied for 13931, but the
applications show 13951 as their address; and she noted that a
stamped statement regarding "sign exhibits are examples only, see
Variance 89-10" was not on their copy, and that they feel it was
added after the City found they made a mistake.
Staff responded that the stamp was applied later for clarification
for future reference; but that it was the understanding of the
property owner and the City that they were examples at the time the
sign code was prepared.
Ms. Moore stated that they are the only other major tenant and
would therefore be the only ones allowed signage on the rear of the
building.
Commissioner Weil asked if Mimi's Plaza gave a reason why Tokyo
Lobby was given a special privilege for freeway signage.
Ms. Moore replied that Dave Peterson reviewed the lease and
informed them that they were allowed a sign; and the City informed
them of the problem after they paid their fees.
Commissioner Weil asked if they have dealt with permits and signs
in the past since they own two (2) other locations; and if they
normally accepted the advice of a property owner rather than check
into the permit policy.
Mr. Nishimura replied that it had not been a problem in the past;
that since it was in the lease, they did not think there was a
problem; and felt that the City would alert them if there was a
problem.
Ms. Moore stated that Mr. Fox informed them that this should never
have passed if the correct information was given; but they were
truthful, but made a mistake.
The Public Hearing was closed at 8:02 p.m.
Commissioner Kasalek asked which document was the correct one: the
sign plan for Mimi's Plaza or the lease.
The Director replied that the Master Sign Plan was the regulating
control over the property and the Sign Code was clear regarding no
off-premise signs; that Mr. Peterson and Manchester Development
were aware that no off-premise signs were allowed for other than
building one; that the question is who is responsible for the
hardship and if the owner should bear some of it.
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September 9, 1991
Page 8
Commissioner Baker asked if it was up to the Commission to make a
decision.
The Director replied that it was a legal issue for the applicant;
that the Commissioner should consider the requirements of State law
in terms of what the Code requires and what is applicable.
Commissioner Kasparian asked if more attention had been paid, this
might have been caught; that since the numbers are so close, it may
have been a human error; that the restriction on freeway wall signs
is clear; that he votes to deny the variance because he sees
nothing mitigating to require the sign to stand; and that this is
beyond the Commission.
Commissioner Le Jeune asked when the advice to file for a variance
occurred.
The Director responded that between June 6 and July 26 there was
correspondence; and that the building permit was revoked based on
the City Attorney's advice, then they applied for extensions to
comply and then applied for a variance request.
Staff stated that the variance request was made after the third
extension of time.
Commissioner Weil asked Mr. Shaw for a legal opinion regarding on-
premise and off-premise signs; if it was possible that a monument
sign would be off-premise; and if these buildings were on the same
lot.
John Shaw, City Attorney, stated that Mr. Rourke stated that this
sign is off-premise; and that an on-premise sign is at the business
location site.
The Director replied that the buildings are on the same lot,
excepting the service station and Mimi's Restaurant; and that the
monument sign is allowed in the Sign Code as a tenant directory
monument sign.
Commissioner Le Jeune asked if the sign on the rear of the
restaurant at 13951 was acceptable.
The Director replied that a sign was allowed on two buildings sides
at the applicant's discretion.
Commissioner Le JeuDe moved, Kaspar~an seconded to deny Variance
91-14 by adopting Resolution No. 2946, as revised:
Part I. C.3:
Page 1, Line 4: Delete "increased size of signs" and
Add "presence of off-site signs."
Page 2, Line 3: Delete "larger" and
Add "more off-site signs."
Page 2, Line 7: Add "and elsewhere in the community" at
the end.
Motion carried 5-0.
OLD BUBINEBB:
NEW BUBINE~B:
6. Amendment to Desiqn Review 91-07
APPLICANTS:
STEPHEN PAQUETTE
10542 GREENBRIER ROAD
SANTA ANA, CA 92705
HENRY KUMAGAI
19021 CANYON DRIVE
VILLA PARK, CA 92667
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September 9, 1991
Page 9
OWNERS:
LOCATION:
ZONING:
ENVIRONMENTAL
STATUS:
REQUEST:
NORMAN FRITZ HENRY KUMAGAI
15734 NEWTON STREET 1902 CANYON DRIVE
HACIENDA HEIGHTS, CA 91745 VILLA PARK, CA 92667
135 SOUTH PROSPECT AVENUE AND 240 EAST FIRST STREET
FIRST STREET SPECIFIC PLAN - COMMERCIAL AS A
PRIMARY USE
THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE
CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT (CLASS 11) PURSUANT TO SECTION
15311 OF THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
TWO ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT BONUSES ARE REQUESTED,
PURSUANT TO THE CRITERIA IN THE FIRST STREET
SPECIFIC PLAN, AND INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING:
1. AUTHORIZATION TO INSTALL A MONUMENT SIGN
WITHIN THE REQUIRED TEN FOOT FRONT YARD
SETBACK AND PERMIT SUCH SIGN TO STAND AT A
MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET; AND
2. AUTHORIZATION TO PERMIT A 64-SQUARE FOOT WALL
SIGN ALONG THE NORTH ELEVATION AND LIMIT THE
WALL SIGN ON THE WEST ELEVATION TO A MAXIMUM
OF 25-SQUARE FEET.
Recommendation - It is recommended that the Planning Commission
approve the Amendment to Design Review 91-07 by adopting Resolution
No. 2948, as submitted or revised.
Presentation: Dan Fox, Senior Planner
Commissioner Kasparian asked if the reciprocal driveway would be
twice as wide as a normal one; if it would be possible to require
two separate driveways.
Staff replied that a reciprocal driveway would be a normal size of
28 feet; and that now, due to the lot consolidation, this is
considered a non-variance item allowing a monument sign on the
limited frontage; and that the item has been decided by the City
Council which is the final authority in this matter.
Commissioner Kasparian cited from the report that the Council
neither upheld the Commission's decision of denial or approved it.
Staff replied that that was regarding the variance and that they
did approve the Condition Use Permit authorizing the lot
consolidation request; and that the two issues this evening were
only the monument sign and the reversal of the Tire Center front
elevation.
The Director stated that the Redevelopment Agency took action on
the site plan and restricts action to signage only this evening.
Henry Kumaqai, applicant, stated that Texaco informed him this
afternoon that if Goodyear is on the monument sign, they will not
provide gasoline to the car wash.
The Director replied that staff was unaware of this information.
Staff stated that the proposed copy on the exhibits is strictly
conceptual to establish the sign area; that the Sign Code would
only allow the business name on the sign; that product names and
services cannot be displayed; that Mr. Paquette is currently
negotiating with Goodyear to incorporate Goodyear into his name;
that as of 3:00 p.m. this afternoon, Mr. Kumagai represented that
Texaco would not be a fuel provider if Goodyear was on the sign;
that the Sign Code requires that where fuel products are sold, the
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September 9, 1991
Page 10
name of the provider must be identified on price information signs;
and that they have advised Mr. Kumagai to communicate with Mr.
Paquette regarding the tire service business name; if Goodyear does
not allow their name in the business name, there is no issue.
Commissioner Kasalek asked if Texaco was strictly opposed to
Goodyear or the other business name.
Mr. Kumagai replied that if Goodyear was on the monument sign,
Texaco would have to come off.
Commissioner Le Jeune stated that if only one of the businesses
would be represented, then the sign should not be allowed to be 64
square feet.
The Director clarified that staff nor the Code would approve
Goodyear on the sign.
Staff also stated that Texaco requires a four (4) by five (5) foot
sign whereas the Code allows only a seven (7) square foot sign for
the Texaco identification.
Mr. Kumaqai referred to the lot consolidation at Yorba and First
Street where 7/11 was allowed a separate monument sign.
Commissioner Baker stated that 7/11 was an existing business.
Commissioner Weil suggested decreasing the sign to 48 square feet;
that two (2) signs would be too crowded; and that they should
continue the item to work out the problems.
Commissioner Baker asked if the applicant could confer with Texaco.
Mr. Kumaqai affirmed; and stated that the car wash would provide
very little tax revenue, that it is mostly from the gasoline sales.
Commissioner Le Jeune asked if he did not have to share a sign,
what would be an acceptable sign size; and that the Commission
cannot approve this without knowing who would be represented on the
sign.
Bill Heninqsman, Superior Electrical Advertising, replied that a
six (6) foot by eight (8) foot sign with 29 square feet of sign
area was originally proposed.
Commissioner Kasalek asked for a clarification of the street
frontage combination justifying a monument sign.
Staff replied that the consolidation helps to justify the bonus;
that the physical site plan would be a consolidated lot; that both
tenants do not have to be on the sign; and that the elevation
reversal for the tire service will benefit First Street.
The Director noted that if there is a granting of a monument sign
for one operator, there would be a request for another from the
second business.
Commissioner Kasparian asked if a wall
consideration for the Tustin Auto Wash;
sign would be a
Mr. Kumagai replied that Texaco wants a monument sign and that they
would be required to have one to receive gas.
Commissioner Baker asked if this could be continued.
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Page 11
Commissioner Kasalek asked if part 2 of the application could be
approved separately.
The Director affirmed.
Commissioner Le Jeune asked if the pricing could be smaller if the
monument sign was smaller.
Mr. Heningsman replied that the pricing has to be a minimum of
seven (7) square feet; that a sign has to be proportional; that a
sign of 48 square feet will not benefit the business since copy at
six (6) inches would not be visible.
Commissioner Le Jeune responded that signs can be done smaller with
good visibility; and suggested the pricing be less visible.
Mr. Heningsman replied that an alternate sign might be acceptable
to Texaco; that they have their own sizes; and that they proposed
twenty (20) square feet for pricing and logo.
Commissioner Kasparian suggested that people do not go to a car
wash primarily for the price of the gasoline; and that Mr. Kumagai
should discuss with Texaco putting the pricing elsewhere.
Commissioner Weil stated that she had a problem with giving them
any more signage than they already have; and suggested continuing
the item so the Texaco representative can be present at the next
meeting; and she questioned the inability to read the smaller sign.
Staff suggested that the applicant be advised to communicate with
Goodyear also.
Commissioner Weil moved, Le Jeune seconded to continue Item No. 1
until the next meeting to give the applicant time to work with
their fuel supplier regarding the sign copy. MotioD carried 5-0.
The Director provided a modified Resolution to switch the wall sign
elevations, as moved.
Commissioner Le Jeune moved, Weil seconded to approve Item No. 2
authorizing a 64-square foot wall sign along the north elevation
and limit the wall sign on the west elevation to a maximum of 25-
square feet, by:
Resolution No. 2948: Delete Item 1. on Page 1 and renumber
Item 2.
Exhibit A or Resolution No. 2948: Delete Items 1.1, 1.2, 1.3;
Renumber 3.4, and 3.1.
Motion carried 5-0.
ST~%FF CONCERNS~
Report on actions taken at September 3, 1991 City Council
meeting
Staff reported on the subject agenda.
Staff informed the Commission that they would be receiving
invitations for the RUDAT workshop on the weekend of the 27th.
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September 9, 1991
Page 12
COI~ISSION CONCERNS:
Commissioner Weil
-Asked about the status of the helicopter base committee.
Staff responded that it would be agendized and a Commissioner
would be selected to serve on the committee.
Commissioner Kasparian
-Suggested a workshop for the Commission and the City Council
to review the First Street Specific Plan.
Staff suggested a workshop for the Commission only first to
gather information and then meet with the Council. It was
decided that a workshop would take place on October 14th at
5:30 p.m. preceding the Planning Commission meeting.
Commissioner Le Jeune
-Noticed video games mentioned in minutes
meeting. Asked if prohibition of video
reconsidered.
from a previous
games had been
Staff will bring a report back to the Commission on the
subject.
-Asked about sound barriers - wall vs. landscape.
Staff informed the Commissioner that the matter related to the
City of Orange.
-Asked about signage for new businesses near Centennial Way
and the post office.
Staff responded that they would have to comply with the
current sign code.
-Cable company on Prospect Avenue put antennae onto the large
antenna.
Staff will check on the site.
ADJOURNMENT:
Commissioner Weil moved, Le Jeune seconded to adjourn the meeting
at 8:57 p.m. Motion carried 5-0.
The next regular meeting of the Planning Commission is on September
23, 1991 at 7:00 p.m. in the City Council Chambers, 300 Centennial
Way, Tustin.
Kathleen Clancy
Secretary
Chairman