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TUSTIN PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
DECEMBER 11v 1989
CALL TO ORDER:
7:00 p.m., City Council Chambers
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/INVOCATION
ROLL CALL:
Present:
Pontious, Le Jeune, Baker, Shaheen,
Kasparian
PUBLIC CONCERNS:
(Limited to 3 minutes per person for items not
on the agenda)
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MOTION. THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION
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1. MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 27, 1989 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
Commiss%oner Le Jeune moved, Baker seconded to approve the consent
calendar with the exception of Item 2 which was held over for
discussion. Motion carried 5-0.
SECOND AMENDMENT TO FINAL TRACT MAP 12870, STREET VACATION
REOUEST
APPLICANT/
OWNER:
LOCATION:
ZONING:
THE IRVINE COMPANY
P.O. BOX I
NEWPORT BEACH, CALIFORNIA 92658-8904
SECTOR 8 OF TUSTIN RANCH, TRACT 12870
PLANNED COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL: EAST TUSTIN SPECIFIC
PLAN MEDIUM HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL
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Page 2
ENVIRONMENTAL
STATUS:
THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO FINAL TRACT MAP 12870 IS
MINISTERIALLY EXEMPT, NO FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL
DOCUMENTATION IS REQUIRED. THE PROPOSED STREET
VACATION HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE CATEGORICALLY
EXEMPT PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 15061
(B.3) OF CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
REQUEST:
AUTHORIZATION TO (1) AMEND FINAL TRACT MAP 12870 TO
ACCOMMODATE PRIVATE ENTRY IMPROVEMENTS; AND (2)
DETERMINE THAT THE VACATION OF CHAMPION WAY, TO
BECOME A PRIVATE STREET IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
CITY'S GENERAL PLAN.
RECOMMENDATION: It is recommended that the Planning Commission:
1) Determine that the vacation of Champion Way for private street
purposes, is consistent with the City's General Plan, by adopting
Resolution No. 2725, as submitted or revised; 2) Recommend approval
of an amendment to Final Tract Map 12870 to the city Council by
adopting Resolution No. 2726, as submitted or revised; and 3)
Approve Design Review 88-67 by adopting Resolution No. 2727, as
submitted.
Commissioner Kasparian asked for a clarification of page 4 of Item
2, and Items 5 and 6 on this evening's agenda regarding
responsibility for maintenance of Champion Way. He wondered how
there could be two people involved, the Association and Irvine
Pacific, in the maintenance of the same street.
The Director replied that the Irvine Pacific Company and their
respective development interests would be responsible.
Staff noted that lots 21 and 22 would form a joint project creating
a master association to share the responsibility of maintaining
Champion Way. Presently, Irvine Pacific is the owner of both lots.
Commissioner Pontious noted that at this point, as apartments, they
are governed by Irvine Pacific. If they are converted into
condominiums, the master association is to be divided up and become
the individual responsibilities of the separate associations.
Commissioner Le Jeune moved, Kasparian seconded to determine that
the vacation of Champion Way for private street purposes is
consistent with the City's General Plan, by the adoption of
Resolution No. 2725, as submitted. Motion carried 5-0.
Commissioner Le Jeune moved, Kasparian seconded to recommend
approval of an amendment to Final Tract Map 12870 to the City
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Council by adopting Resolution No. 2726, as submitted.
carried 5-0.
Motion
Commissioner Le Jeune moved, Kasparian seconded to approve Design
Review 88-67 by adopting Resolution No. 2727, as submitted. Motion
carried 5-Q.
PUBLIC HE~RINGS
3. CONTINUANCE OF USE PERMIT 89-38 TO THE JANUARY 8, 1989
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
RECOMMENDATION: It is recommended that the Planning Commission
continue this item to the January 8, 1990 Planning Commission
meeting.
Presentation: Christopher E. Jackson, Associate Planner
Commissioner Pontious asked if there was any public input, even
though this item had been continued.
Commissioner Le Jeune moved, Baker seconded to continue this item
to the January 8, 1990 Planning Commission meeting. Motion carried
5-0.
4. AMENDMENT TO VARIANCE 88-10
APPLICANT:
OWNER:
LOCATION:
ZONING:
ENVIRONMENTAL
STATUS:
REQUEST:
SYCAMORE GARDENS HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION
14802 NEWPORT AVENUE
TUSTIN, CALIFORNIA 92680
SYCAMORE GARDENS STOCK CO-OPERATIVE
14802 NEWPORT AVENUE
TUSTIN, CALIFORNIA 92680
14802 NEWPORT AVENUE, TUSTIN
R-3, MULTIPLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL
THE PROJECT IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT (CLASS 1)
PURSUANT TO SECTION 15301(a)(d) AND (k) OF THE
CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.
AMENDMENTS TO CONDITION NO.'S 8, 9 AND 10 OF EXHIBIT
A, RESOLUTION NO. 2543, PERTAINING TO CERTAIN
REPAIRS RECOMMENDED IN BUILDING AND PEST INSPECTION
REPORTS AND COMPLIANCE WITH PROVISIONS OF THE CITY'S
SECURITY CODE.
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Page 4
RECOMMENDATION: It is recommended that the Planning Commission
approve certain amendments to the original approved conditions for
Variance 88-10, by adopting Resolution No. 2724, as submitted or
revised.
Presentation: Steve Rubin, Associate Planner
Staff noted a few minor changes to the staff report and recommended
adding a few words to clarify the amendments, as moved.
Commissioner Le Jeune asked if the applicant has questions or
problems within the next seven days, does he come back to the
Commission; and asked if there was any obstruction to compliance.
Staff replied that the applicant has seven (7) days to appeal to
the City Council. Staff will provide the applicant with a copy of
the Resolution, and the City Council can deal with it or send it
back to the Planning Commission; this addresses everything; the
Homeowners Association has agreed to take care of common facilities
prior to the conversion process; and they have 180 days from the
time of the recordation of the Certificate of Compliance to make
the repairs.
Commissioner Shaheen asked how close this comes to satisfying the
applicant.
Staff replied that it does everything they wanted to do; it puts
off the repair to sale; and it makes repair the responsibility of
the individual owners.
The Director suggested that the Commission might want to continue
this without renoticing since there were so few present regarding
this item.
Commissioner Baker suggested that he thought it best to finish it
at this meeting rather than continue it so that the owners could
move on; and that they should not have to be delayed any further
because their management company was absent from this meeting.
Commissioner Pontious agreed.
Commissioner Shaheen asked if a copy of this had been mailed, and
noted that the Mr. Kvidt was out of town for a few days, but should
be back.
Staff replied that he was sent a copy last week, and was informed
that he would be back today.
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Page 5
Comm~ss~Qner Le Jeun~ felt that, out of courtesy, he should be
informed that he has until next Monday to challenge this.
Staff reconfirmed the Director's comment regarding the availability
of continuing this item.
Commissioner Pontious asked if a modification of Page 2 of the
Resolution regarding monitoring of the 180 day period could be
made; and since the second paragraph allows someone who does not
allow access to his unit to possibly get by without repairs upon
sale, the language should be changed to state "shall be required
to have inspections."
The Director said that "with final inspection to verify Code
compliance to be conducted by the Community Development Department"
could be added. It is required that they have permits, but
inspections are not reinforced, and this language would ensure
compliance.
CommSssioner Shahe~ asked how compliance would be enforced.
The Director noted that it would be on the Certificate of
Compliance for each unit that did not have an inspection report
recorded against it.
Commissioner Pontious noted that she felt better about having a
little stronger language so as to not let someone slip by; also
that this is in fairness to those who had allowed access to their
units.
The public hearing was opened at 7:20 p.m.
Bob Fisher, Sycamore Gardens property owner, could not explain why
the property managers were absent; felt that the changes
represented what they had asked for; and he urged the Commission
to take action this evening so that escrows and refinancings that
were in progress could receive their Certificates of Compliance.
The public hearing closed at 7:21 p.m.
Commiss$oner Le Jeune moved, Baker seconded to approve certain
amendments to the original approved conditions for Variance 88-10,
by adopting Resolution No. 2724, revised as follows:
"Page 1, item II. line one, after "amends" add "in their
entirety"; Page 2, paragraph one, line 15, after "Compliance"
add "with final inspection to verify compliance by the
Community Development Department"; and Page 2, paragraph two,
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Page 6
line 5 change "encouraged" to "required"
Motion carried 5-0.
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VESTING TENTATIVE TRACT MAP 13786, DESIGN REVIEW 89-42 AND
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 89-13
APPLICANT:
OWNER:
LOCATION:
ZONING:
RESIDENTIAL
ENVIRONMENTAL
STATUS:
REQUEST:
AKINS DEVELOPMENT COMPANY
1 CIVIC PLAZA, SUITE 175
NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92660
IRVINE PACIFIC
P.O. BOX I
NEWPORT BEACH, CALIFORNIA 92658-8904
LOTS 22, HH AND II OF TRACT 12870
PLANNED COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL: MEDIUM HIGH DENSITY
EAST TUSTIN SPECIFIC PLAN
THIS PROJECT IS COVERED BY A PREVIOUSLY CERTIFIED
EIR (85-2) FOR THE EAST TUSTIN SPECIFIC PLAN. NO
ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION IS REQUIRED.
1. AUTHORIZATION TO CREATE THREE NUMBERED AND TWO
LETTERED LOTS FOR RESIDENTIAL CONDOMINIUM PURPOSES;
2. APPROVAL OF A USE PERMIT AUTHORIZING 306
APARTMENT UNITS AND TENNIS COURT LIGHTING; AND
3. APPROVAL OF SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN
OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
RECOMMENDATION: It is recommended that the Planning Commission
take the following actions: 1) Approve the Environmental
Determination for the project by adopting Resolution No. 2721; 2)
Approve Design Review 89-13 and Use Permit 89-42 by adopting
Resolution No. 2722, as submitted or revised; and 3) Recommend City
Council approval of Vesting Tentative Tract Map 13786 by adopting
Resolution No. 2723, as submitted or revised.
Presentation: Eric Haaland, Assistant Planner
Commissioner Kasparian asked if drought-proof landscaping was being
encouraged for this project as well as other projects; if wheel
chair ramps and curb cuts had been installed; and asked for a
clarification of the actual acreage; and if the staff report should
be considered correct.
Staff affirmed that they do utilize drought-proof landscaping;
wheel chair ramps and corner access in sidewalks were installed as
per the Building Code; and that the acreage may be inconsistent
between the blue print and the staff report due to changes in
Champion Way; and that the staff report should be the most current
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information.
The Director noted that Item 2.1 clarified handicap requirements.
Commissioner Kasparian asked for a clarification of Exhibit A, Page
3 Item I, where it notes that each unit should have a separate
water meter or a separate water shut-off; and felt that the
shut-off was more important in each unit.
The Director noted that they could not have both a meter and a
shut-off valve in a multi-family unit, but there could be a
separate shut-off valve.
Staff noted that a separate shut-off in each unit should be
proposed.
Comm~s$%0ner Kasparia~ asked for a change to the wording of Item
2.2, as moved; and noted Item 6 on the Agenda as an example.
The Director asked for a clarification from the Commission on this
item.
¢0mm%ssioner Pont~ous felt that "consideration" did not mean that
they would allow an applicant to think about it, but that it was
actually a requirement.
The public hearing was opened at 7:40 p.m.
Conrad $~ck, Akins Development, commented that they were pleased
with the working relationship with the staff. He noted one
condition, Item 3.2 D, should be revised, as moved.
Commissioner Pontious asked what the difference would be, cost and
maintenance-wise, in putting the rain gutters on the interior
versus the exterior.
Mr, Sick replied that the cost impact is substantial because it
complicates the structure of the unit. It is an integrated eave,
built into the roof. The problem is that the exterior wood
elements have to be one-hour rated. With opening a cavity for the
rain gutter, it poses special rating elements that have to be
mitigated as well as the potential of water intrusion into the
unit. It is more costly, and more difficult to build into the
architecture. It is more difficult to maintain, as exterior rain
gutters can be flushed more easily.
The Director noted that staff agreed with the applicant's request;
and provided further language, as moved.
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December 11, 1989
Page 8
The public hearing closed at 7:42 p.m.
Staff noted that the reference to the tennis courts could be
deleted.
Commissioner Baker moved, Le Jeune seconded to approve the
Environmental Determination for the project by the adoption of
Resolution No. 2721, as submitted. Motion carried 5-0.
Commissioner Baker moved, Shaheen seconded to approve Design Review
89-13 and Use Permit 89-42 by the adoption of Resolution No. 2722,
revised as follows:
Eliminate all reference to tennis court lighting; Exhibit A,
page 3, item 2.2 delete "Consideration shall be given to"; on
page 5, delete item 3.2 D and replace with:
"D. Show all downspouts and gutters. Downspouts and gutters
shall be painted to match buildings and be positioned to
minimize visual impact by:
1. Locating downspouts at inside building corners where
possible.
2. Painting gutters and downspouts to match the adjacent
roof or plaster color as the location dictates. Final
location and color to be subject to approval by the
Community Development Department."
Delete item 4.11 on page ten; and renumber item 4.12 as 4.11.
Motion carried 5-0.
Commissioner Baker moved, Le Jeune seconded to recommend City
Council approval of Vesting Tentative Tract Map 13786 by adopting
Resolution No. 2723, as submitted. Motion carried 5-0.
®
VESTING TENTATIVE TRACT MAP 13824, DESIGN REVIEW 88-58 AND
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 89-33
APPLICANT: REGIS CONTRACTORS, INC.
5160 BIRCH STREET, SUITE 200
NEWPORT BEACH, CALIFORNIA 92660
OWNER: IRVINE PACIFIC
P.O. BOX I
NEWPORT BEACH, CALIFORNIA 92658-8904
LOCATION: LOTS 21 AND FF OF TRACT 12870 (AS AMENDED)
ZONING: PLANNED COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL: MEDIUM HIGH DENSITY
RESIDENTIAL - EAST TUSTIN SPECIFIC PLAN
ENVIRONMENTAL
STATUS: THIS PROJECT IS COVERED BY A PREVIOUSLY CERTIFIED
EIR (85-2) FOR THE EAST TUSTIN SPECIFIC PLAN. NO
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Page 9
ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION IS REQUIRED.
REQUEST: 1. AUTHORIZATION TO CREATE EIGHT NUMBERED
AND THREE LETTERED LOTS FOR RESIDENTIAL CONDOMINIUM
PURPOSES; 2.APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
AUTHORIZING 317 APARTMENT UNITS; AND 3. APPROVAL OF
SITE PLAN AND ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED
PROJECT.
RECOMMENDATION: It is recommended that the Planning Commission
take the following actions: 1) Approve the Environmental
Determination for the project by adopting Resolution No. 2716;
2) Approve Design Review 88-58 and Conditional Use Permit 89-33 by
adopting Resolution No. 2717, as submitted or revised; and
Recommend City Council approval of Vesting Tentative Tract Map
13824 by adopting Resolution No. 2718, as submitted or revised.
Presentation: Steve Rubin, Associate Planner
Staff made changes to the staff report, as moved.
The public hearing was opened at 7:52 p.m.
J~m Gilley, Regis Contractors, noted that they would be agreeable
to the condition in the CC&R's to police the parking in the
driveways of the two buildings with the short setbacks in the
center of the project.
Commissioner Pontious asked if increasing the setbacks would be
impossible or unfeasible.
Commissioner Le Jeune asked if there would be a parking problem for
people with two cars.
Mr. Gilley replied that it was possible to increase the setbacks,
but that they prefer to police it through the CC&R's; and that
there are additional parking spaces on-site.
Commissioner Pontious noted that the City has had problems in other
areas where they have allowed short driveways; policing might be
all right, and that she is all for green space, but was concerned
with creating a problem that they know has been created elsewhere
and will definitely present problems here.
Commissioner Kasparian asked how they plan to police the problem;
that his observation has been that with a short setback, people
trying to walk on the sidewalk cannot, and must walk in the street;
and that he feels that it is best to remove this problem early and
not try to police it.
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Page 10
Mr. Gilley replied that it would be policed through the management
of the property and the property management company; and,
initially, if they do not comply, they will be towed; repeated
offenses will controlled by verbage in the lease that would allow
stronger action.
Commissioner Pontious asked for a clarification of the two
buildings in question.
Mr. Gilley replied that upon entering the project, the buildings
were the ones encountered behind the clubhouse.
Commissioner Le Jeune asked if it would be a total of twelve feet
that they would lose of the green space if they moved it; and asked
what the width of the greenbelt was presently.
Commissioner Pontious noted that the buildings were adjacent to the
public areas which gives them additional landscaping; and noted
that removal of twelve feet would cut the greenbelt down to
eighteen feet.
Commissioner Baker asked if it was within this type of project that
they have prohibited certain lengths of driveways.
The Director replied that the provisions of the Code in this
particular land use designation do not, but they have done a more
exhaustive police analysis. Even with the restriction not being
applicable to this land use designation, the police department is
asking for compliance, and the Irvine Company has agreed to work
with the City on this issue wherever possible. The majority of
this project is not a problem, it is just these isolated buildings.
The current conditions provide for either moving the buildings for
additional setback or providing for the lease agreement document.
There may be a way to modify the conditions.
Commissioner Pontious noted that she would like to see it minimized
to the least amount of problem, possibly by just moving one
building and not the other.
Mr. Gilley replied that those types of changes would be acceptable
to them.
The public hearing was closed at 8:00 p.m.
Commissioner Le Jeune asked if they were precluding parking beyond
the 13 feet, or all together; and what the average length of a car
was.
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Page 11
Staff replied that the driveways are only 13 feet long, and they
would preclude parking in them, at all; that a tenant would have
to pull all the way into the garage; the average car length is 15
feet; and from an enforcement standpoint, they have to deal with
everyone the same; these units have one garage space and an
uncovered space.
Commissioner Baker suggested that if they moved the building closer
to the street, they would deter use of the driveway and increase
the green space in the rear.
The Director replied that there is a minimum 10 foot setback on the
loop.
Commissioner Pontious suggested that one building could move; or
they could move both buildings; or they could require them to set
both setbacks at 10 feet.
Commissioner Kasparian asked if staff had considered all the
possibilities, as perhaps moving the surrounding buildings.
Staff replied that there is a lot of latitude; there is nothing in
the conditions that would disallow them moving another building to
increase the setback; and that this should be left to staff to
determine the best solution.
CommissioNer ~asparian asked for a clarification of the acreage of
Resolution 2717.
Staff replied that, in both the Resolution and Exhibit A, the
figure should be 14.10.
Commiss$oDer Baker moved, Le Jeune seconded to approve the
Environmental Determination for the project by the adoption of
Resolution No. 2716, as submitted. Motion carried 5-0.
Commissioner Baker moved, Le Jeune seconded to approve Design
Review 88-58 and Conditional Use Permit 89-33 by adopting
Resolution No. 2717, revised as follows:
Exhibit A, page 4, D. change separation from "15" to "10"; and
on page five, change item E to read "The materials and design
of chimney caps shall be subject to review and approval by the
Community Development Department."
Notion carried 5-0.
Commissioner Baker moved, Shaheen seconded to recommend City
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Council approval of Vesting Tentative Tract Map 13824 by adopting
Resolution No. 2718, revised as follows:
Exhibit A, page seven delete item 5.6 and renumber 5.7 as the
new 5.6.
Motion carried 5-0.
NEW BUBINESS
7. PROPOSED GUIDELINES FOR CHURCHES LOCATED IN THE INDUSTRIAL
DISTRICTS
Presentation: Sara Pashalides, Associate Planner
Commissioner Kasparian commented that he felt that the guidelines
were good as a start. He asked if the tone of their position in
the report was such that the needs of any church wanting to come
into an industrial area would be subservient to the industrial
needs; for example, if industry needs to work on Sunday and was
noisy, could the church not complain.
Staff replied that any church is evaluated with the adjacent uses;
and if a church needs to add interior noise attenuation to buffer
surrounding noises, then they would need to do so.
The Director asked if a conditionally permitted use should regulate
the tone of the regularly permitted use. Whether it be a church
or other conditionally permitted use, philosophically, the intent
of the district would not be achieved, and would be inconsistent
with the intent and purpose statements in the districts.
Commissioner Pontious noted that it was unfortunate that churches
are having difficulty finding other locations; that this was their
effort to find an affordable place with the space that they need;
but that the City is trying to accommodate the churches, but at the
same time not overrun the purpose of the industrial district.
CommissioDer Baker asked for a clarification of the 1200 feet
requirement.
Staff replied the requirement is for churches within the industrial
area that are adjacent to a different zone that happen to have
other churches, schools, hospitals, etc within 1200 feet.
The Director noted that the church on Sixth Street is an example
of this problem, where there is a school and another church in the
vicinity.
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¢o~mission~r ~ontious asked for a clarification of Item 7.
The Director noted that on the second line they should insert "and
sites with multiple buildings..." after multiple uses.
CommSssioner Ba~er asked if this would be discouraging the usage
on Sixth Street but not prohibiting.
The Director affirmed.
Commissioner Pontious commended Ms. Pashalides and staff on their
efforts.
Commissioner Kasparian asked if they could postpone their
acceptance of the document for one week so that he could go over
it further.
The Director replied that since they have a number of applicants
waiting for approval, they need the guidelines in order to have the
ability to impose conditions or modify an action.
Nova Pa~, Attorney and church member of Harvest Fellowship, noted
that he agreed with Commissioner Kasparian in that the plan needs
more study; since the classrooms would be utilized more by young
people who do not drive, the parking requirements seem to be
impractical; he was concerned with the hours of availability, due
to church functions mainly being held at times when there would be
no parking problem; was concerned with the restriction requiring
churches to be limited to single buildings since most of the
industrial buildings were in a condominium fashion with common
walls; was concerned with noise restriction rights; and that the
Commission should not make general rules like being more than 1200
feet from any other pubic institution; the plan is too generalized
and he would like to see it more specific.
The Director noted that the parking requirements contained in
Guidelines are less restrictive than what the City has been using;
it is also consistent with the East Tustin Specific Plan and the
City of Irvine and City of Costa Mesa. The provisions of several
of the PC Community districts specifically state that the off-site
parking has to be above the minimum requirements of that district.
The only way to justify it is by a Parking Demand Analysis. This
protects the outright permitted uses within the district. Even
with the existing planned community districts, with the large
propensity of multiple buildings there are many single tenant
buildings that would provide adequate opportunity. It is difficult
to regulate tenants of multi-tenant buildings, and it would be a
constant monitoring problem.
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Commissioner Pontious noted that this does not prohibit a small
congregation from going into a multi-use building.
The Director commented that regarding the issue of the 1200 foot
minimum, there are events related to the schools, annexations may
extend the industrial boundary, and there may be technical schools,
etc, which may have higher trip generation factors related to them.
She also noted that if the Commission directs the staff to come
back with a code amendment in the future, they would then isolate
the types of uses and the trip counts associated with them. At
this point, they have nothing to use as a basis for getting the
adequate information they need for reviewing an application.
John O'Hanion, 12282 Singing Wood Drive, Santa Ana, member of
Colonial Bible Church, felt that it was important to address these
issues today even though they were only standards. Regarding the
1200 foot distance between uses, he felt that the availability of
parking should be the determining factor in case of
incompatibility; and that regarding reciprocal parking, if the
adjacent property owner is willing to dedicate his land in parking
on weekends and restrict his own parking, that should not go into
the equation for parking requirements. Since the church has made
a significant financial commitment prior to these guidelines being
adopted, they are highly motivated to see these points be
considered; and suggest that churches with applications in process
be considered independently of the guidelines.
Robert PlummeT, Reverend Colonial Bible Church, noted that they
have committed themselves to the City of Tustin at great cost.
They would have liked to have been in the new developments, but
could not feasibly finance it. The only way they could
economically survive was in an industrial building. Having
fulfilled all the standards and requirements and submitted their
application, they are now, retroactively, being given something
that may jeopardize their ability to survive as a congregation.
He asked that the Commission at least do something about the 1200
foot requirement which directly impacts their pending facility.
~e supports Mr O'Hanion's suggestion that the City continues to
process those applications that were filed prior to the adoption
of the guidelines.
Commissioner Shaheen asked how many applications there are for
churches in the industrial area.
The Director replied that there have been two and there are
possibly two more. Also, that this particular church has submitted
an application which has been determined to be incomplete.
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Commissioner Pont~ous asked what is within 1200 feet of their
facility.
The Director noted that the statement was made that the issue
should be the adequacy of parking, but that the staff tried to
concentrate on what is the intent of the industrial district. In
reviewing the EIR for the industrial district, it did not consider
that there would be a propensity of closing concentrated
institutional uses and without such a standard, the original EIR
might be inadequate. This would have to be reviewed with the City
Attorney's office. There are two alternatives: 1) to shut
everything down while they do a supplemental EIR to address the
particular issue; or 2) does the City provide guidelines that let's
the City justify that there is not a significant concentration of
institutional uses within the district.
Commissioner Pontious noted that this would eliminate the need to
go back to the EIR, which would be a time consuming process that
would hold up any applications in process at this point. She
questioned the speakers as to whether or not they understood the
issue.
Mr. plummer affirmed.
Co~missioner Baker asked what their concern was regarding the 1200
foot requirement; and asked staff how the 1200 foot figure was
determined.
The Director replied that it is a little less than a city block;
it was not designed to preclude individual church applications; it
was determined by the purpose and the intent of the district.
Churches are not even an intended use in that district.
Commissioner KasDarian asked if this Resolution was passed, would
it then be retroactive to those who have already applied.
The Director replied that these were guidelines for consideration
only; these were created based on direction of the Commission from
the last meeting.
~Qmm~ssioner Pontious noted that the 1200 foot requirement does not
prohibit their project. It is just a guideline.
Mr. O'Hanion noted that their people were contacted that day.
Commissioner Pontious asked what the other use was that was within
the 1200 feet.
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Mr. Plummer replied that there was a church 1150 feet away, and
that the church that was continued this evening, was 900 feet away,
both with parking on-site.
Commissioner Le Jeune asked when their issue would be coming before
the Commission.
The Director replied that since their application was currently
incomplete, she did not have a scheduling date available.
Commissioner Le Jeune noted that he felt that staff had provided
exactly what the Commission requested in a short period of time;
and that every issue would be carried on its own merit; these are
not cast in concrete.
Commissioner Baker noted a change to Item 8, as moved; and noted
that the guidelines are within the best interest of everybody.
Commissioner Pontious noted that she would not look unfavorably at
a 50 foot differential, but that the guidelines are necessary.
Commissioner Pontious noted that all comments made this evening
would be taken into consideration.
Staff asked if the Commission was interested in staff pursuing a
code amendment as their time permits.
Commissioner Le Jeune moved, Shaheen seconded to establish policy
guidelines for reviewing Conditional Use Permit requests for
churches in Industrial Districts by the adoption of Resolution No.
2715 revised as follows:
Page 4, item 7 line two, after "and" add "sites with
multiple"; and page five, item 8 last line delete "school"
Motion carried 5-0.
OLD BUSINESS
8. STATUS REPORTS
Daniel Fox, Senior Planner
No Commission action necessary.
STAFF CONCERNS
9. CITY COUNCIL ACTION TAKEN AT DECEMBER 4, 1989 MEETING
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Presentation:
Christine Shingleton,
Development
Director of Community
No Commission action necessary.
CONCERNS
Commissioner Shaheen questioned the possibility of residents
receiving discounts at the golf course.
The Director responded that it was unlikely because the course is
public, but privately owned. This has been an issue discussed by
City Council.
Commissioner Baker noted that the lighting at the Market Place was
not being dimmed as per previous conditions of approval. He also
complained about the condition of the wood lot behind
Jack-in-the-Box.
The Director responded that staff would follow-up with the
management of the Market Place properties. She also noted that the
wood lot would be effected by the Cal Trans taking of property.
As Cal Trans acquires right-of-way the wood lot will be used as
relocated parking. The other option is that the leasee would be
given notice upon issuance of building permits on the Greinke site
of the freeway.
At 9:10 ~ommissioner Baker moved, Le Jeune seconded to adjourn to
a Photo session on January 8, 1990 at 6:45 p.m. and then to the
next regular scheduled meeting of the Tustin Planning Commission
on January 8, 1990 at 7:00 p.m. in the City Council Chambers.
Motion carried 5-0.
Penni Foley
Secretary
Leslie Ann~ Pontious
Chairman