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July 1,,), 19Ra
CALL TO ORDER: 7:()~ p.,'~., City Council Cha,qhers
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE/INVOCATION
ROLL CALL: Present: Raker, Pontious, Shaheen, Kasparian
~k'~sent: I_e Jeune
PUBLIC CONCERNS: (Limited to 3 minutes per person for items q~)t on the ag~nda~
IF Y.)',J ~.~ISII T<) SPEAK T,) T~IE C,Y!HISSI,~"~ ,IN A SU~Jr~CT, PLE'~SF FID.
J~IT TliE CARolS Lt)CATE'I ,)'t 'rile SPEAKER'S T.~LE. ALSO), PLEASE DIVE
Y')I. JR F'JLL 'lA~F &'ii3 ~'))RESS F()~ T~E
i. Reom]anization ~f t~e Co,m',i~sion
Co,,qissioner ~aker moved, Kasparian seconded to no,qinate Co~.,qi ssi oDer Pmqti~us as
Chairman t~ the Plannin,.i Cr)qmissimq. '~oti~n carried 4-[).
Comvdssioner Shaheen ,qoved, t~aker seconded tn qc)r~inate Co,'~missioqmr Le ,.leuqe as
Vice-Chair:Dan. rlotion carriPd 4-(1.
CONSENT CALENDAR:
(ALL ';ATTERS LISTE) JN')E,~ C.):ISE;iT CAI.E'IDAR ARE C;1IS[')ERE;/
R,')UTIqE Aqi') '..!ILl_ ~E E:iACTE~ RY ~')NE ;!{)TIO;i. T}IERE diLl_ i~E ~<,./
SEPARATE ')ISCUSSIi).'I .)F 'F'~ESE ITE~.!S PRIOR TO T~IE TIDE ~)F THE
V,JT[qG ')'.( T~tE '.h)T[Oi 'I~.iLFSS '.tE~.IRERS ~)1: T~tE Ci)t'I.4ISSIt)'i, STAFF
:~URLIC ~E'}~JEST SPECIFIC [TE'.IS T~)qE '.)ISCUSSE') A;I;I/:IR
FRO q THE C~'I.~SE'!T CALE'i~IqR F~.~ SEP~RATE ACTI(IN.)
2. :-~inutes of the June 25, 19H9 Planning Co,',,~lissi(m vleetin!l
Co,'~,aissioner Baker move. d, Shahe~'~n seconded to apprnv(? th~ coqs,,~nt calenq]r. '-lotion
carried 3-(I-1 (Pontir),~s abstained).
PUBLIC HEARING
,¥'lend,,~ent to !Jesi(]n Review 87-3/ - ~.)ew Accent Col(Irs
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q,:cori,'~endati on: [~. i s recr),'l;'lended that the Pl anti nU ,r;Omrli ssi,'m ..~pprnve two new
accent, colors and deny the ti:jhtest proposet acc.~qt color for us(, on tho r..',~.ail
tower ;~le,'~.eqts and Entertainment Village, in addition to the existinq approved :)as(,
aq.! accent colors ',)y ,'liqtlt~, motion.
· >resentati Oil '. Steve R,jt~i n, Seni or ;~1 annr, r
Co,-li,lissioner '~aker noted that in tile hack;lround section of the Staff R~port, first
para,.lralm, tt~(? color "orange" was subsequently ..'tropped. 'le wondered if cnlr)r number
six cr)ul:l be considered orange, and wh,,'~r~, it would be used.
Staff replied that it was actually a .:ie~i) yellow, ochre color. The orange color in
q'.~estirm was a true oran,lc wt~ich was originally approved in January ]9%~ that
~iq~licant elected not to use as an acc~,nt on this site. fo date it has q,)t been
used.
COrl~dssiormr .'.tasparian wondered if the com,nent m, gar,tirl:i the "washinq
color that Staff is not s'J4qPstin,i was a s,~hj~,ctive one. :te w,.)ndered if every,me
~ne staff felt that the "washing out" of thP color would be objectionable.
St,iff replied t. hat the ter,,! "washirlq mit" was as thou!ih the color was li.'iht~min
tn the point whPre a person would not a.?preciate the f,lll color as they wmll,'i '.itl,let
rowl lisjht. The color !~ecr),,,PS extremel.y light. Tho colors approved for th~ c~,nter
are 'iePper earth ton~s, aqd the color in '4uesti')q could he a ,Jel)arturp awa.y fro'l the
original sche,qp. If the color was used as a hasp CO]Or, th~' qpi)earanco
structures would he ,'lllch .'lor<~ noticahle iq the distance. Hf, qote.'i th:it he could
a~swer for every,me regarding tt~eir opiqioq of the color, hut that throu,]hout the
process they each tried to keel} their pprsonal tastes o,.it of the decisian.
Fhe ')irector or)ted that there is qot a direct oppositinrl I:o tile color, b!lt the..7 viP:q
its place,'~ent, particularly in the Entertain,:leqt :lilla.je, as nee,lin~I ,,,~r(, inf',)rma-
tion reqar4ing its al~plication.
Co,'l,,lissioner Sha!leeq asked v/hat tile Jrvin¢ Compa,]y's reaction was to the '.l(~cisioq
re,jardinq this color.
Staff replied that in CO,lVersations with the preys, ct architect, they agree that it is
a reasonable process for the ?lannin,.i Co:'~mi ssi on to view this color more specifically
at. the ti~e ']esi,]n rnview a,~i)lications were reviewe~l, rt~ere have '~e~m mn COlm'lents
fret the Irvine Co,'lt~any rf~(lar,'tin~] thp Staff
;'1 anni nlj ,r.r),.md ssi on '~ct inn :!i flutes
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public n.~,aring './as oponed at 7:20
Slenn "ly(:rs, of !lonahue Schriher, co,'l,'~ent~,d that tt~ey felt that the review nf all
three b~i;]es would be more suited within the c.~ntext of the flesi,jn of the Villaue.
Ideally, they wmlld >,av~ had the desitin nf tt~p Village to thP Co,'l,'lissioq hy now, and
feel that the issue will resolv~ itself at the ti,'~e of presentation. P~ey have no
~)r~)hlem in deferring the decision nq that particular hei,je. At this ti,~e, they are
more interested in a Final decision sn that they can ~pen ~lome ',)epot by the ,'fiddle nf
~u,.,ust. So as not to dela~ th~ opening, Staff had aureed to hrinq the c~)lors in at
this stage. This same ~eige is pr~)posed as an alternative to the p,~rple wall aloq($
I-5, the Jarlboree thr~e-foot hi:ih ~al}, an:t the siqn mnnoliths that had be~n apprnv~rl
as purple.
Comrlissioner ~:;aker asked wh~re color rlll~qh(~P six wo~Jl'J I~(: ~lSed.
'.lr. :~ynrs replied that it was originally sche.q~Jled for the pickets, and is an accent
color under the arcades, in t. he stor~ fronts, inside the colu,qns an,! along th~
shops.
C,)rnr:li~sinner Raker asked if the palette that they wer..'~ referring to was the former
palette without the oranqe. H:? noted thai. he .lid not see a colnr like nu,~her six
the approved palette.
Cnm~issioner Ponti{)us n,~ted that there was a ~uhstantial difference in color niJFiher
six, and asked the staff if the color sh,luld he incl,,lded in tile ap[)rr)val prncess.
Th..'? i)irector n()ted that du.~ to experimentation iq color pigrlents at toe sit(:, Lt~,
final palette changes hein(t requested w~re the ones s~own ,~n t'Ie rign. t. Th~ ones
previously approved were on the left.
Co.'l;'lissioner Shaheen asked if the Irvine Co'ii)any was intendinll Lo follow staffIs
reco,~,,en'.iatioqs. '.h? woq,lered where the disa~jree,'~ent was, and if it was resolved.
:!r. :yers replied ti]at they agreed to approve the one hei!l:? and hold the other.
.Staff replied that there was n~ ,iisaqree,qent at this ti,'~e.
Co~,'dssioner Raker noted that ne was afraid that the variation of colrlr nu,~her six,
;reich had not been approved, ~:~i~ht he ~lilq}ed in without a',q)roval.
CO,'lrlissioner Pontious asked if the amendment could he chang, led Lo include all (If the
colors oq the palette to include the new yellow, since it was not origiqall,y intendo'l
in the oriuinal palette.
The !]irector a~jreed that it had ri<it been included in th,, mri:]inal palette.
Commissioner I~,aker asked if it had been used without heind on the original, approved
pal otte.
!r. 'yers replie'l affir.'latiw?ly. 'hvmvqr, h,', anted, as ;'mqti')ne,t in previm~
s~,q~i/)ns, ~he design t~,a:~ and archit(~cts do not really kn~}w h()w tn,~ colors will look
!)q .:, i)roject ~lqtiJ t,h,?y ar.~ a[)j)lir~d. Th(~ original '/(,1low '.ids .~pplied, h,lt after ~'lan.y
attem:~ts they settled on the color' b~f'nre toe Cn,'~:H~sinn as the color that the d~,sign
t~,a'~ and ,'~r'chi~(~cts would l ik~, t.n sr~e as the accent color.
CO.;l~:)ission,:?r ,~ak:)r ask'?:i if' thi~ ~veninq's vote would loci'ida t~'.? heign a~ well as
th(? .yellmv an ar] accent color; if this was part of th~) Staff i(ei)art; an',l co,,~'lent(,d
that the ,liscllssion r~)gar,iiq:; color ql],q;)er six tg~)k lb ,dq,,,tes, unneCeSSarily. "i,,
;.~lt that the hmiue color, ..?sp(~cially alon!l the wall lr)nqs !lreat, hut h,.~ did nat like
a new col ~)r heing i ntr,)d~med ~ithout th(? Cor,,'lissi 'in' s kq,m.~l n;!()e.
SLal'f replied affirmativ~q.y regar',linq tho vote; and that. iL was not incl!J:'!e;l in the
Staff :~.ei~,')r t.
','];):"ll'lissir)rl(.)r Sba I.(.1 ;lskc~,l if on~ .:ir)re color was
Ca, l. lissi()ner P()rltious re~li;,d that it ,/as a rcq)lace;'l~nt col()r, hy r'e,,lovir,] th'.~
,)riuinal yellow an,.! replacin9 it witq th(, okra.
I'qe Director a:)pt)logize,'l for the st<~ff ~)verqiilht, but note'! that they try t~) h.'., as
c,~,,pr~h.ensivc~ as possihl(~. In this case, they tried t() ext)e.,tite the
r.'~.,pJest of t~:? ai~plicant .t,~e to th~ exi~e~tit, ed sche<tul~ of 'In,f,? ')~pot. Shn F,,lt that
ct~,~.,y have~ c,')rrnc!,,':,l th~'~ lack of inf()rmation at this [)()int.
"r. 'l).ers C;):'lr'lerllc(?~ that from the [rvirte Co,,q)any' s an(! :l~)nahu~ Schri bet' s start(ti)nj nt
th:,r(, was no i ntnnt of sl i i):)i n,.] sn,'lethi rl~] thro',J:]h.
']o,'u'lissioner Kaspari.~n ask,,,.1 if this resnllitioq is passed, does it autn,',aticall.y
tho pro/in!is one, or is it c¢)nc~Jrr~?rlt.
,'Staff affin.uul thaK it wmJI.i s:~percede the original res()lntioq.
.','ichar:l l'aylor, a resident nf Sycamore 3lea, rioted that he purchased a ho,'~e there
because q,e thou~tht it woul:l he a cn?~q.lnity ~)f conservativ(, people. 'te was glad to
s(,r) the heig~ colors hain,:) intr[)dlic~,d. )),, felt tqat the thr(ee accent colors ,~oiJl
,'idk~ this a "tren(t.y 1 ookiq~}" plaza, as i n 'toll ywon'l an4 certain to,~ngrad~.l heacv,
c()ri,')unities; and that witl)in two years the cent()r would he )elna repainto't. Fh~re is
a fePling within th() co,~,u)nity, at l(,ast within his co,')'l'init.y of brand new
'.mo are proud to be a part of T,]stin, of "what's going on over there?". ~1~) hope,~
that the beige tones wnuld caJ]q the pal~'~tte down a hit. 'te realized that the Irvine
COmlJan.y I~ad spent a lot of :~oney on this, hut felt that the color co,,)hinatioqs in
certain li.,)hting st]c)ul,) have hec)n work(,,I mJt way in a.,lva,,c(). 'lesion and architec-
l, ural classes which he has been a part of Kaught hi,'] to establish the colors in
vario~)s lig,~tiogs bef()re act,]al aj)plicati~)n. ~Ie .~qrm)d ~iiti~ Co:'.),lissinn~r ',~aker
r,).j,~r,Iin,; tn[, qmw yoJJow, and that the pink and purl)l(, ,.,ere a bit lm]d for what
th")'JUhC was a qiff(,rnnt cor)'u)nity fq(~l.
The i;lihlic hf:arin.] ~..las closed at '/:33
C;),,m,issioner Pontious noted toot she felt that tho mi:idle culnr tan was a iilore
aHHroi)ria~e color, which was closer in i)alntte to the terra c,.)tta. She
staff's concern, thou(Ih, ~)n the li:lht~',r shade and ;vo~Jl4 like to withhold il. until
l~ter.
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Cm'lvdssioner S.hahe;:n askm] if they wore hei;lg asked to "lodify th.'.~ r(:s~}lution.
Staff replied that the Co,q.,ission was not adopti.qg a r~solution, t.heir action
I~m by ,'ill, ute motign.
Th~? :)iroctor ~r)~d that for the ,q,~tion approvmrt tqis evenin~t, staff ,-~ould l,~hel t~e
col:~r hoard as 7/lII/:~; with the r~xception of denyin,1 th~ li!jqtest proposed account
cr~lor, aq,I wi I I !)e specific.
,COl:lmissioner iqaker qote,i that ne was not ori~iqall.y in favor of the deep colors, and
still i~as a prohle,-i with there. '~ith the grass it is i,:lF)roving, and he likes the
beige colors, incl~Jding 1:he li:.jht hei',le. ~te does pot like n,.i.qher six, hut in order
to <?xpeditn, he would ap~)rove the palette.
Corl:'dssioner PontiotJs agre¢~.d tqat %he, Leo, wa~ not ov(,rl.y
preferred it ovPr th~ light, er yr~llows.
(~r)rl,qi ssioner Stlahoon movL~rJ ~ l~aker secoqd(:,! to approve, h..v Flj qtlte or.:l~-r, the col or
board su'.),,dtted ;~q J:jly LU, 1959 with th~, exception of color q,J,qher one. 'lotion
carried 4-:~.
OLD BUSINESS
NEW BUSINESS
STAFF CONCERNS
CO,~fMISS[ON CONCERNS
ADJOURNMENT
At /:3b p.m. [:orqmissiont)r ShaheCm r~ow:d, 9. akr.,r s~,corlrt¢;,i to a.l,inurn to the nnxt
re.]ular Planning Commission ,qe~:tin.;l on J~ly ')4, !(~'qq at 7:~1(] p.m. in the City Cmlncil
Chambers. !otion carrie;I 1-0.
£hai rman
P~nrli Fol e.y ~
S(:cretary