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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPC Minutes 02-09-87 MINUTES TUST[N PLANNING CO~ISSION REGULAR MEETZ#G FEBRUARY 9, 1987 CALL TO OROER: 7:30 p.m., City Council Chambers PLEDGE OF ALLEGIA#CE/INVOCATION ROLL CALL: PUBLIC CONCERNS: None. CONSENT CALENDAR: Present: Puckett, Weil, Baker, Le Jeune, Ponttous 1. Minutes of January 26, 1987 Planning Commission Meeting. Commissioner Well moved, Pontious second to approve. Motion carried 5-0. PUBLIC HEARINGS 2. USE PERMIT 87-1 Applicant: Enrico Rtstorante de Italia Location: 14430 Newport Avenue Request: Authorization to sell beer and wine for on-site consumption in conjunction with a restaurant use. Presentation: Laura Pickup, Associate Planner RESOLUTION NO. 2388: A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF TUSTIN, AUTHORIZING A BEER AND WINE LICENSE FOR ON-SITE SALES AT 14430 NEWPORT AVENUE. RECOMMENDED ACTION: APPROVE USE PERMIT NO. 87-1 BY THE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION NO. 2388. Laura Pickup informed the Commission this matter had been continued from their January 26th meeting. The project meets all outdoor seating requirements of the State ABC. Alcohol can only be served concurrently during the hours of food service. Should the restaurant be removed the use permit would be void. The Commission confirmed Parents Who Care had been notified of the project and questioned the hours of operation. Chairman Puckett opened the public hearing at 7:36 p.m. Laura Robinson, Enrico D'Italia Restaurant, requested the hours of operation in the use permit be changed to 11:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. as stated on the ABC application. Seeing no one further wishing to speak, Chairman Puckett closed the public hearing at 7:38 p.m. Commissioner Well moved, LeJeune seconded to approve Use Permit 87-1 by the adoption of Resolution 2388 with a change to II.B., "Alcoholic beverages shall be sold during the hours of 11:00 a.m. and 11:00 p.m. and only when food is concurrently sold." Motion carried 5-0. Planntng Commission Minutes February 9, 1987 page two 3. USE PERMIT 87-2 Applicant: Location: Request: Chantry Ltd. on behalf of Fat Freddies Mexican Diner 1571 E1Camino Real Authorization to install a 100 square foot freeway identification pole sign. Presentation: Laura Pickup, Associate Planner RESOLUTION NO. 2389: A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF TUSTIN, AUTHORIZING A 46 FOOT HIGH, 100 SQUARE FOOT FREEWAY IDENTIFICATION POLE SIGN AT 1571 EL CAMINO REAL RECOMMENDATION: PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION. Laura Pickup informed the Commission this matter had been continued from their January 26th meeting. The requested 46' high pole sign would replace an existing sign used by the former restaurant. The two issues before the Commission are: 1) staff's concern with the proliferation of pole signs in the area; and 2) whether or not this pole sign is necessary for the use intended. Chairman Puckett opened the public hearing at 7:44 p.m. Martin Taylor, Fat Freddies, informed the Commission that the pole sign is needed for freeway visibility because the restaurant is behind the Sixpence Inn. Seeing no one further wishing to speak, Chair~n Puckett closed the hearing at 7:46 p.m. Commissioner Well favored reducing the visual clutter but agreed with applicant the sign is necessary for freeway identification. Commissioner Well moved, Baker seconded to approve Use Permit 87-2 by the adoption of Resolution No. 2389. Motion carried 5-0. OLD BUSINESS None. NEW BUSINESS e DEVIATION FROM MASTER SIGN PLAN/TUSTIN PLAZA To permit the installation of two tenant identification signs which do not conform to the basic master sign plan approved for Tustin Plaza. Presentatl on: Jeff Davis, Senior Planner RECOMMENDATION: THE SIGNS PROPOSED BE MODIFIED TO CONFORM TO BASIC CRITERIA OF THE MASTER SIGN PLAN FOR TUSTIN PLAZA. Planntng Commission Minutes February g, 1987 page three Jeff Davis explained to the Commission before them is a packett submitted by Carver Development detailing the requested signs and colors and precisely what the developer ts requesting. Summary: the Tusttn Plaza through a sertes of extensive destgn heartngs and workshops was approved. There was a requtred Master Stgn Plan prepared and approved. The plan called out a uniform letter type helvetica medium and a turquoise color. In an effort to balance the uniformity and harmony staff reallzed there was a need for deviation at spectftc locations. Staff ts requiring the stgn plan remain Intact and that remaining tenants except for the Christmas Guild be requtred to retain the helvetica medium and turquoise. Jeff further revtewed other stgn plans throughout the city potnttng out similarities and variations to Carver's stgn plan. Chatrman Puckett tnvtted the applicant to speak. Ktm Josephson, Carver Development, explained to the Commission Carver Development has attempted to conform with the sign plan, however, with the new tenants and their location it becomes infeasible for them to match the color and design of the center. The signs should be changed for two reasons: turquoise color is dull at night. It doesn't create a feeling of excitement in the center or curb appeal. The signs proposed promote excitement. He submitted pictures and samples of the proposed signs. If the signs were offensive Carver would not propose it. At night when the signs are lit the balance of the shopping center becomes invisible. During the daytime the signs add to the facade. When the new restaurant is added it will further block visibility to the interior of the center from the street. G. Alan Moll, Bltmples, presented the Commission with a brochure on Blimpie's. Blimpte's is a registered trademark, logo and colors. It is consistently applied to all merchandising and advertising materials. Under the trademark regulations they are required to be consistent with the trademark. They are meeting the requirements in every other respect. At night the sign is really only two colors yellow and red, the green merely enhances it during the day. Ronald Peralez, Bll~te's owner, asked that the trademark sign be allowed in the center. The image is as important as the product. The Blimpie's logo presents the readily recognizable image to the public. With the use of the logo they will add incremental customers to the store. As an individual operator it has been highly advantageous to be part of a major corporation with the exposure of their trademark and logo. Stanley Chin, Chin's Chinese Kitchen, explained that the colors red and orange are more visible, they are warm colors creating a more appetizing feeling. Chinese people believe the colors red and orange scare away evil spirits and bring good luck. He further pointed out the structure of the building is uniform and needs more variation and individuality which can be achieved with the signage. He was also concerned with discrimination against the "little" guys because the larger companies have been allowed to use their trademarks and logos in their signage. Jeff Davis explained the center sign plan allows variation in signage according to location of the suite. The subject locations were selected by the tenants and they should have been aware of the sign requirements and restrictions. The issue is to make sure the color scheme is compatible with the building where they will be Planning Commission Minutes February 9, 1987 page four installed. These tenants are looking for something that stands out as opposed to the trademarks. That isn't what the intent of the sign plan is; it is to promote uniformity and harmony in the center. Klm Josephson further commented that the turquoise signs are boring and it is different than what they thought they would end up with. The new colors are interesting especially at night. The center is unique, the signs would not be offensive and would add to the overall architecture of the center. He further emphasized color, logo and trademarks are probably the most important aspect of the business for recognition of their name. Commission and staff discussion ensued concerning less restrictive sign plans in other centers in the city, possible color variations of the proposed signs, visibility of businesses from the street, the possibility of other tenants requesting more colorful signs. Christine Shlngleton suggested a sign program with more variety be provided to future tenants. Staff will work with Carver Development to develop a new sign plan. Commissioner LeJeune moved, Baker second to modify the Master Sign Plan for Tustin Plaza and accepted the signs proposed by Carver on behalf of Blimpie's and Chin's. Motion carried 5-0. The Commission directed staff to work with Carver Development to develop a new sign plan for the center allowing more variety. Be PARKING ISSUES Per Council request, staff is awaiting more information from City's Traffic Engineer. Upon receipt staff will report to the Commission. Presentation: Mary Ann Chamberlain, Associate Planner RECOMMENDATION: RECEIVE AND FILE. STAFF CONCERNS e REPORT ON COUNCIL ACTIONS FEBRUARY 2, 1987 Presentation: Christine Shingleton, Director of Community Development COMMISSION CONCERNS Commissioner LeJeune was concerned with the weeds in the lot on E1Camino and 6th Street. He also questioned staff about the signage at Fremont Insurance on Yorba and if it was excessive for the area. Jeff Davis responded the monument sign is authorized and staff is pursuing removal of the awning sign which was installed without permits. The area is considered professional office and a monument sign is allowed. Planning Commission Minutes February 9, 1987 page fi ve Commissioner Wetl expressed concern with the thru-traffic in the parking lot at Fat Freddies. Laura Pickup informed the Commission she reminded the applicant to paint the curb and striping to alleviate the problems. They will use a florescent paint that picks up light. Commissioner Baker was concerned with the appearance of the area between Larwin Square and the car wash on the corner of Main. Christine Shingleton informed him the property is a pending enforcement action. However, the property owner has been relatively unresponsive because of a potential pending sale on the property. Commissioner Baker further questioned excessive RV parking on front yards and in driveways. Laura Pickup informed Mr. Baker the City Council passed a new more restrictive ordinance regarding RV parking on the street, thus people more often are parking their RVs on their property. ADOOURllilENT The Commission adjourned at 9:15 p.m. to their next regularly scheduled Planning Commission meeting on February 23, 1987. Recording Secretary HARLES E. PUCKETT, Chairman