HomeMy WebLinkAboutPC Minutes 09-24-73 MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING
OF THE
CITY OF TUSTIN PLANNING COMMISSION
September 24, 1973
The regular meeting of the City of Tustin Planning Commission was
held on the twenty-fourth day of September, 1973, at the hour of
7:30 p.m. of said day in the Council Chambers, 275 South "C" Street,
Tustin, California.
The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Commissioner Hare.
The Invocation was given by Commissioner McHarris.
ROLL CALL
Present:
Dombrow, Edgar, Hare, Larnard, McHarris
Absent: None
Others Present:
James G. Rourke, City Attorney; R. Kenneth Fleagle,
Ass't. CA, Community Development Director; Bruce
Lenorovitz, Assistant Planning Director; Jessica
Carroll, Planning Commission Recording Secretary
Chairman Larnard indicated the official seating of Commissioner
Edgar as a member of the Planning Commission and extended the
Commission's welcome.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Commissioner Dombrow moved for a~proval of the minutes of the
September 10, 1973 meeting; seconded by Commissioner Hare. Carried.
Ayes: Dombrow, Hare, Larnard, McHarris. Noes: None. Abstain:
Edgar.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
1. Environmental Impact Report (Draft) - The Irvine Company
Location:
Bounded by the Santa Ana Freeway to the north-
east, the future alignment of Myford Avenue to
the southeast, the U. S. Marine Corps Air
Station (H) to the southwest, and the future
alignment o.f Jamboree Road to the northwest.
Mr. Fleagle gave a snyopsis of the mitigating recommendations
submitted by Owen Menard & Associates, consultants for the proposed
Irvine Industrial Complex, with a recommendation that these matters
be resolved prior to Commission's recommendation to the City Council
for approval of zone change application (ZC 73-6). Mr. Fleagle
noted that, as prescribed by State guidelines, all responses,
comments and evaluations become a part of the EIR as adopted by
the City Council.
Commissioner Hare inquired if all questions could be satisfactorily
resolved by the next regularly scheduled meeting of the Planning
Commission. Mr. Fleagle replied that salient questions have been
asked of the EIR consultants and both they and The Irvine Company
have been furnished with copies of all reports of concern and they
are aware that Planning Commission requires responses to those
questions posed. Therefore, it is reasonable to expect their
response by October 8, 1973.
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Chairman Larnard opened the public portion of the hearing at 7:45 p.m.
Mr. Raymond W. Kimmey, Irvine Industrial Complex, stated that
questions raised by Planning Commission and staff will have their
reply by the next regularly scheduled Commission meeting.
There being no further comments, Chairman Larnard closed the public
portion of the hearing at 7:47 p.m.
Commissioner Dombrow questioned Mr. Lloyd Chandler, Southern
California Edison Company as to how he reconciled the statement
made in the letter of August 23, 1973 from Southern California
Edison Company that they find no items that would adversely
affect their operation or, from their standpoint, the environment,
with a further statement saying that they are not accurately able
to assess the demand for power.
Mr. Lloyd Chandler replied that the first statement referred to the
project, if built today. The later statement refers to the future,
in that they have no way of knowing what will happen in ensuing
years. They do, however, anticipate problems in serving their
customers in 1974 - 1975. Most of their low sulfur comes from
Indonesia at present and, future service will be dependent upon
whether contracts can be successfully negotiated. APC rules will
not allow burning of other than low sulfur oils.
Moved by Commissioner Hare, seconded by Commissioner McHarris that
the Irvine Company EIR Report and request for zone change (ZC
73-6)
be continued to the next regular meeting of the Planning Commission
on October 8, 1973.
Commissioner Edgar stated there is a fundamental question of short
and long-term analyses with regard to the intersection at Jamboree
Road, a bridge or intersection at Browning, as well as what will be
done at Myford Road. Also, if commitment is made to future loca-
tion of Jamboree Road, what will happen to the Santa Ana Freeway?
Mr. Fleagle replied that these points were not specifically
addressed as a long range impact. There is a circulation element
of the Irvine General Plan, moving Myford easterly of its present
alignment. To have an intersection at both Myford, at its present
location, and Jamboree would not be feasible. Therefore, it is
proposed to move Myford easterly, with interchanges at Red Hill,
Jamboree and on the new alignment at Myford Road, about one mile
easterly of Jamboree Road.
Commissioner Edgar noted that Walnut is indicated as a through
street. Therefore, would traffic be attracted there, making it
an arterial road, although it is not so designated? Mr. Fleagle
replied that if there is a 100 foot right-of-way, it will soon
pick up the capacity of an arterial. However, easterly, toward
Irvine City, there will be other entrances into the tract from the
My ford alignment.
Commissioner Edgar stated he is still not convinced of the
attractiveness of this proposal, and would like to see some type
of direction as to terms of sales tax, property values and other
considerations.
Mr. Fleagle replied that this was a strong point made by staff in
their Community Development Report when considering the adoption
of the General Plan. Although there is no regional shopping
center within the general area of Tustin, The Irvine Company is
reluctant to locate one on this site. They do acknowledge there
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may be room, but would like to open the door at another location
but are hesitant to commit themselves as to location.
The Irvine Company consultant indicated their evaluation was from
an industrial development viewpoint and not as a regional shopping
center. Mr. Flea~le stated it is his hope that responses from
The Irvine Company requested by staff will indicate the feasibility
of a regional shopping center location.
Mr. Flea~le further clarified that a linear park is proposed midway
between Walnut Avenue and the Santa Ana Freeway. The Irvine Company
has stated proposed development is a unique concept in industrial
parks, incorporating picnic area, regional park and recreational
areas.
Commissioner Edgar pointed out that instead of one broad park,
designated park area should be scattered throughout the complex.
Also, the linear park should be related to the group industrial
complex.
Motion to continue to October 8, 1973 carried unanimously.
2. ZC 73-6
A joint application of the City of Tustin
Planning Commission and the Irvine Company
for a zone change from Planned Community
(Residential) to Planned Community (Industrial-
Commercial).
Location:
Bounded by the Santa Ana Freeway to the north-
east, the future alignment of Myford Avenue
to the southeast, the U. S. Marine Corps Air
Station (H) to the southwest, and the future
alignment of Jamboree Road to the northwest.
Mr. Fleagle reported on staff's considerations concerning this
proposal to authorize an integrated Industrial-Commercial complex,
subject to precise development standards, incorporating property
annexed to the City of Tustin by Annexation 7lA on December 14,
1971. Mr. Flea~le then suggested that proposed zone change be
continued to Planning Commission meeting scheduled for October 8,
1973, at which time The Irvine Company can respond to proposal
and amended regulations can be presented.
Commissioner Dombrow asked if Commission can adopt specific
regulations as to who occupies the site, to which Mr. Flea~le
replied that under Planned Community Districts, there are
three alternatives. In this instance, there is a specific text
and, in places not otherwise designated, this specific text applies.
Chairman Larnard opened the public portion of the hearing at 8:07 p.m.
Mr. Ra~mond W. Kimme¥ of the Irvine Industrial Complex stated he
has not had an opportunity to evaluate staff's comments. There-
fore, he would request a continuance of two weeks to evaluate
these comments and recommendations.
There being no further comments, Chairman Larnard closed the public
portion of the hearing at 8:09 p.m.
Further items of concern with regard to The Irvine Company's
Planned Community District Regulations were:
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Section V. General Development Standards
P. 5, Para. A. Item 1. Commissioner Dombrow commented that
with staff's recommended change, there is still not an adequate
definition. Therefore, there would be more and more truck
traffic, rather than limited truck use.
P. 5, Para. A. Item 2. Although structures may not cover
more than 50% of net lot area, you can purchase an independent
land site area and occupy as in any other joint area, while still
being part of the Master Plan.
Section VII. Conceptual Design Review
P. 14, Para A. Item 7. To Commission concern, Mr. Flea~le
replied that phased development protects the heavy development
or adverse impact. When plan is submitted, there will be pro-
vided a circulation system for that site so that use would not
put a burden on residential streets, but would have major
arterial access such as Myford Road or the Santa Ana Freeway.
To Commissioner Dombrow's concern regarding truck and transportation
terminals, with no guarantee that major arterial access will be
used, and his concern toward integrity of neighborhood by the
addition of heavy commercial classification, Mr. Flea~le replied
this was not definitized and is part of the Report submitted by
staff for clarification by The Irvine Company. Commissioner
McHarris suggested it be defined by deleting truck terminal.
To Commissioner Dombrow's question as to whether the City can
set forth permitted uses under change of zoning, Mr. Rourke
replied that the City retains the right to say what will be per-
mitted within a planned community district.
Section VI. Industrial/Commercial
P. 11, Para. B. Item 1. 5). Commercial Sales/Warehousing
To Commissioner Hare's question as to whether this includes
heavy commercial, Mr. Flea~le replied that specific uses authorized
are in the proposed Amendment. Since industries such as moving
and storage companies fall within this particular category, per-
mitted uses should be clarified for definitive Commission approval.
Moved b~; Commissioner Dombrow, seconded by Commissioner Hare
that ZC 73-6 be continued to the nex.t regularly scheduled meeting
of the Commission on October 8, 1973. Carried unanimously.
3. UP 73-17
Lebanoff Development Corp. - for the purpose
of authorizing construction of a 47 unit
apartment complex within the Planned Community-
Multiple Family (PC-R-3- 1750) District.
Location:
Site is located on the westerly side of Brown-
ing Avenue, ± 250' south of Nisson Rd., Tustin
Mr. Lenorovitz outlined the background on this request for a Use
Permit, stat£ng the concerns which still prevail for Commission
consideration and/or approval, as outlined in Staff's report to
the Planning Commission.
Chairman Larnard opened the public portion of the hearing at
8:30 p.m.
Mr. William Reed, Architect stated he was present to answer any
questions.
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Mr. Lenorovitz noted that property to the south of the proposed
development is zoned R4, which is developed in duplexes and
triplexes.
Mr. Will C. Duesler, 1971 Yolanda Way, Tustin, stated he owns a
d~plex adjacent to proposed development whish is single story.
He is concerned about the alleyway and trash facility to be
located immediately behind his property, and that two-story
apartments would block his view of Saddleback.
It was noted by Mr. Lenorovitz that the two-story apartments
would be located almost 100 feet from existing duplexes. Also,
it was determined that duplex patios would abut the proposed
development. Additionally, Mr. Duesler stated he was not aware
that a 6'8" wall would be a requirement, which is higher than
those normally erected between properties.
To Commissioner Hare's query concerning number of duplexes, Mr.
Duesler replied there are a total of nine, with five located
on the proposed development side, thereby being directly
affected by the development.
Mr. Duesler inquired about traffic impact on Red Hill Avenue due
to proposed development. Mr. Flea~le responded that if this
proposed project would have less traffic and school impact than
the duplex development presently creates.
Mr. Duesler contended he would rather have single story than
two-story development, but realizes the price of land would make
this prohibitive. It is his belief that two-story apartments
will adversely affect his own property value.
Commissioner Hare questioned Mr. Duesler if he had discussed this
with his neighbors to which Mr. Duesler replied that he had talked
with one, who was not in attendance.
There being no further comments, Chairman Larnard closed the
public portion of the hearing at 8:45 p.m.
Commissioner Dombrow noted the location of a trash receptacle
adjacent to duplex, but separated by 6'8" wall, with landscaped
area and completely screened from view. Since Mr. Duesler might
object to this location, it was suggested that another location
could be worked out with staff. Mr. Reed stated that the idea
of having a trash receptacle in the present noted location would
be for the convenience of apartment occupants who could pass the
area enroute to their cars. However, Mr. Reed agreed that a
relocation would be permissible.
Commissioner Dombrow questioned Mr. Reed if he had had an oppor-
tunity to review staff comments. Mr. Reed stated that he had, and
that the presently existing block wall could be made higher by the
addition of another block. Mr. Fleagle stated that, according to
Ordinance 534, the Director of Community Development may waive or
modify any wall requirements as specified...where there is a solid
masonry wall existing immediately adjacent on the contiguous pro-
perty, if concurrence of adjacent property owner can be obtained,
when necessary, to modify an existing wall to meet the requirements
of this Ordinance.
Mr. Flea~le questioned Mr. Reed whether this development is
intended to be a security facility with key access. Mr. Reed
stated such security system is intended for main entrance and
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entrance to the side. Also some consideration has been given to
providing a gate. Guest parking area would not need a card nor key
to enter. Guest parking will also alleviate use of the street
as a parking area, since 21 spaces are indicated, which will be
more than adequate.
Commissioner Hare questioned that with security gates, how do
emergency vehicles enter the area? Mr. Fleagle replied that such
vehicles carry bolt cutters and are also furnished keys or cards.
Commissioner McHarris noted that proposed development complies
with zoning requirements and contains much esthetic value. If
Applicant will relocate offending trash location, it will be an
attractive addition to the community.
Moved by Commissioner Hare, seconded by Commissioner Edgar, that
Resolution No. 1366 be passed and adopted.
The Community Development Department was directed to make adjust-
ments necessary regarding location of trash receptacle.
Motion to adopt Resolution No. 1366 carried unanimously.
PUBLIC CONCERNS - None
OLD BUSINESS - None
NEW BUSINESS
Rayell Company - Approval of plot, parking lot and
landscaping plans.
Location:
Del Amo Avenue near Valencia Avenue
Moved by Commissioner McHarris, seconded by Commissioner Dombrow,
that Resolution No. 1368 be passed an~ adopted. Carried unanimously.
Formal Finding 73-3 - To waive underground requirements
of Ordinance No. 455 (Virginia
Stevens)
Mr. Fleagle stated that Ordinance No. 455 provides for undergrounding
of services, except when Commission finds service can go overhead
without violating the intent of the Ordinance. Service was in-
stalled without benefit of a permit from the Building Department.
Chairman Larnard requested staff recommendation as far as under-
grounding, specifically related to this property. Mr. Fleagl~
stated it was improbable than an underground district would be
formed in the immediate future that would include this specific
property. Property owner has stated that when district forms,
there would be no objection to undergrounding at that time.
Chairman Larnard asked if there was any type of agreement to
consider. Mr. Fleagle replied that an appropriate statement
should be prepared that Applicant waive all protests to under-
grounding.
Moved by Commissioner Dombrow, seconded by Commissioner Edgar that
a variance (Formal Finding 73-3) be granted to Virginia Stevens,
provided she waive all protest to under~roundin~ of her service
in the future. Carried unanimously.
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AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION - None
CORRESPONDENCE
Environmental Impact Report for County Use Permit 3440 -
Lemon Heights Mutual Water Company - to permit construction
of water reservoir and pump station.
Location: Tustin northeast unincorporated area.
Mr. Lenorovitz reviewed the background for Commission members and
stated that the Orange County Planning Department will be consider-
ing the staff concerns outlined in letter to the Orange County
Planning Department dated September 20, 1973. Additionally, staff
may relate to County by phone any further comments or concerns of
the Commission.
Mr. Lenorovitz stated that, according to plot, height would vary
to 22 foot grade and staff has suggested it be depressed lower.
Commissioner Dombrow stated his exception to the tone of the draft
EIR concerning alternatives to the proposed project, Item A, which
was tantamount to coercion.
Mr. Flea~le reflected the same concern for Items B and C, noting
that none of the reasons given are a justification for a non-
conforming use. Further, with regard to their statement of a
limited budget, this is an inappropriate justification for expand-
ing a nonconforming use. Therefore, Items B and C do not provide
any justification for action of an agency to violate public laws.
Moved by Commissioner Hare, seconded by Commissioner Dombrow, that
staff be directed to indicate to the Orange County Planning Depart-
ment by'telephone Commissions' objection to Page 10, Items A, B, and
C, of the EIR Report. Carried unanimously.
Orange County Conditional Permit (CP-1470) - to authorize
construction of a 77 unit Planned Condominium Development.
Location:
Southeast side of Newport Avenue and the
northeast side of La Colina, just east of the
intersection of these two streets.
Mr. Lenorovitz outlined the comments contained in staff's report
to the Planning Commission concerning this proposed development,
as well as the draft letter prepared for the Chairman's signature,
expressing these concerns to the Orange County Planning Commission,
who will hear this case on October 8, 1973.
Commissioner Dombrow expressed his concern of a development of a
fairly large apartment complex in a residential district, stating
that while the project is beautiful, it is not compatible with
surrounding neighborhood, nor does it conform to our General Plan.
Commissioner Hare concurred with this statement.
Moved by Commissioner Dombrow, seconded by Commissioner McHarris,
that letter for Chairman's 'signature be prepared to in'dicate
Tustin City's development standards and that, due to loca'tion,
the proposed development falls within our Sphere of Influence and
does not conform to Tustin's General Plan nor to the surrounding
n~ighborhood.
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Commissioner McHarris questioned if the County can impose con-
flicting use to our General Plan. Mr. Fleagle replied there
was a procedure where zoning changes could not be granted in
violation of a General Plan, but that General Plans are subject
to various interpretations, and the County is not bound by the
City of Tustin's interpretation.
Motion carried unanimously.
3. 1983-Land Use Element, Orange County General Plan
Since a representative of the Orange County Land Use Element will
be present at the next Planning Commission meeting, it was moved
by Commissioner Dombrow, seconded by Commissioner McHarris, t-~
Land Use Element - Orange County General Plan be continued to
October 8, 1973. Carried unanimously.
STAFF CONCERNS
Pending Items
Variance for electric sign in the R-4 District submitted
by Tustin Convalescent Hospital
Mr. Fleagle stated that it is the Tustin Convalescent Hospital's
desire to obtain a variance for an electric sign to extend approxi-
mately 12 feet upward for visibility from First Street. This will
be a public hearing item.
COMMISSION CONCERNS
Commissioner ~dg~r expressed his pleasure of being a member of the
Planning Commission. He stated the necessity to distill all
material and available data, particularly in capital improvements
of the City for more necessary visibility. For example, arterial
roads. First Street now under development, what are the next
roadways of an arterial nature to be developed? Commissioner
also cited parksites and renovation of sewer system. It
s desire that workshops be planned with participation from
Planning Commission and Parks & Recreation, taking existing
material and projecting what Tustin will be like next year or a
generation from now.
Mr. Fleagle stated Commissioner Edgar was referring to TNT Com-
mission which recommended a public works program which included
as priorities the development of First Street and the new City
Hall which is presently under way. At the present time, the City
Engineer is working on a capital improvement program which will
indicate the public needs requirements. Under procedure of State
Planning Law, this will be reviewed by the Planning Commission
for comment and/or adoption and forwarded to City Council.
Chairman Larnard noted that the Planning Commission will be in-
volved in work shop sessions. Mr. Fleagle commented that the
starting point is the basic work document which the City Engineer
is now compiling.
Commissioner Edgar thinks there must be immediate positive stand
on the part of the City to accelerate the incorporation of County
islands to the City. Chairman Larnard stated there is State
legislation now under way concerning County islands, to which
Mr. Fleagle replied that it had been tabled for another year.
Mr. Fle~gle further explained that County residents have been
very emphatic in their refusal to become a part of the City.
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2. Election of Chairman Pro Tern
Chairman Larnard stated that the office of Chairman Pro Tem being
vacant, {he Bylaws of the Planning Commission state this office
will be filled at the next regular meeting of the Planning Com-
mission, said meeting now being held.
Moved by Commissioner Dombrow, seconded by Commissioner Hare,
that election of Chairman Pro Tem be continued until next regular
meeting of the Planning Commission scheduled for October 8, 1973.
Approved unanimously.
ADJOURNMENT
Moved by Commissioner McHarris, seconded by Commissioner Dombrow,
that meeting be adjourned at 10:10 p.m. to Monday, October 8, 1973,
at 7:30 p.m. Carried unanimously.
PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIRMAN