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Home My WebLink AboutPC Minutes 10-10-66P.7INUTI;S OF A REGULAR ~ETIPIG TUSTII~T PL[1NIIIPIG COi.II.iIaSIOId October 10, 1960 I. CALL TO ORDRR II. ROLL CALL III. APPROVAL ~F I:tINiJTES The meeting tivas called to order at 7:35 P.T.-. , by Chairman Hefner. Present: Commissioners: Brand, I.iarsters, Hefner, Oster, Iialus, Sharp Absent: Commissioners: Bacon ELECTION OF NE's'! PLt1NNITdG COT.II.iIaSION CHAIRI.i~121 I•.Ir. Hefner presented the net=~ chairman, P.ir. T.Iarsters, tivith the gavel and the meeting vas resumed at 7: ¢0 P.PI. It ryas moved b Lir. Oster seconded b L [:Ir. Ha be appointed hair;~an Pro Tem. . Sharp that I.Iotion carried unanimously. IV . 1 . I.IfTi' - T:IOBILI;HOI.iL PARK: DISTRICT - AI:TCNDT.ILIJT OF THB PUBLIC ZOIJING OP,DITIAI~ICl; HI;ARIrIGS (Continued from the September 26, 1966 .Planning Commission T.ieeting. ) i.ir. Supinger presented the staff report including a revised copy of the Proposed T.iobilehome Parlt District Regulations. The proposal vas revised as a result of a meeting of representatives of the !''/extern I.iobilehomes }lssociation, the Building Director and the Planning Director. Disagreement remained concerning the required area for travel trailer spaces and density in travel trailer areas. iir. Sup~.nger r::ade the recoL.rnendation, if the proposed ~F gulat: or_s .-._ . __ ._. ~'Iir: ~i21''_ ~ :£~; Co~.r~:,_s~_:;~__ approval, _.,4~ ti,:_ ~ 1~::<= .. ~ _ .-_-:, . lc ~'~e ~:._ , ; . ,~l~.r ;neet- i us Others Present: James Rourlte, City Attorney Janes Supinger, Planning Director Iiarry Gill, City Administrator Jo Ann Turner, Planning Secretary Vote by Roll Call: Ayes: Brand, Hefner, Iialus, Sharp, Oster. does: None. Absent: Bacon. i.iotion carried unanimously. ^ i'.Ir. I-Iglus stated that the one major point is the square footage for lots and is about all that is being questioned. In ans~rer to L:r. Hefner's question regarding Item 4 - I.Ir. Supinger stated that the State regulations ~-~ere rnora strict than eras proposed under the pre- vious ordinance that ~•ras submitted and it eras best to eliminate it. Chairman i.;arsters opened the hearing to the I~ublic at 7:48 P.i.;. I.ir. ITorm Busch, 7700 La-~psor~ ~lvenuc, Garden Grove, representing the ~,7estern i.iobilehomE~s Association, felt that this could be resolved if travel trailer spaces did not exceed 1500 sq. ft. and changing 5 to 10;~ - He felt that 5;~ reduces it do~~rn to nothing. There being no further commer_ts or objections, the hearing eras declared closed at 7:52 P.I.I. I.tr. Halus granted to ltino~-r the definition of a travel trailer and i.ir. Supinger said that a "I.Iobilellome" is expandable and a "Travel Trailer" is smaller and can be pulled behind a car. T.Ir. Halus eras concerned about not seeing the figure of 5i~ or 1G;s in the draft on I.:obilehome Parlc District and i.ir. Supinger explained that if you grant to utilize the percentage figure, that it gill be in the proposed ordinance. The reference being made by I.Ir. Busch is to the memorandum included with the proposed ordinance. T.ir. Supinger said i.ir. Busch ~°ranted an attachment to sub-section "B" to provide not more than 10 for travel trailer spaces and for a minimum of 1500 sq. ft. lot area in the travel trailer spaces. I:Ir. Busch - 3000 sq. ft. or more for mobilehome - 1500 sq. ft. for travel trailer spaces. I.Ir. Halus -This ~*~ill not be over 2800 sq. ft. then and not to exceed 10~~? I.ir. Supinger said provided ho~~~ever, that a maximum of 10 of the total number of spaces may be for travel trailer spaces, the ninimum area of nrhich trill not be less than 1500 sq. ft. I.Ir. Iialus stated that he is not in favor of a large number of travel trailers in Tustin and he realizes the need for limited spaces. I.Ir. Oster questioned I.Ir. Gill about the licensing of travel trailers by the City and I.Ir. Gill said that you do have to pay a fee and are liscensed by the City.. i.:r. Oster asked, if this ordi nai:ce envisions a travel th - ' e .ir. aul:ill~;er a.1s~.~er~d, on y? - . type park in t_,e cit, contrary, altheug'_: SUC11 an cl~~ration rro~~ld ire permitted, It FlOlild ??O ~ be i mnossibie 1JCC^t1U(? ;~!1L 1` Y'Oy~'~S%:1 1i~.S i'i- ciuded a :ii:iriu~: of 100 ~,1 _~. ±'cr c~.c}~ ...., ._._._:rone - ~~; ,_ , .. c,•ould be Waite u.<<^ccro-~ica~ for ~~i^::i ~~ ~~;~~L:.: <:. -~~~?c:~•~:- ation park. -2- I:4r. Brand's feeling on the matter was that it should be half the size and said they should make some pro- visions for the difference. Section 1-C should read "that travel trailer spaces, with minimum lot size of 1500 sq. ft. should not exceed 10; of the total number of spaces." I.ir. Halus recommended, in Item 11 - Architectural A~~r_oval, that the v/ording "as to design' a de eted ~om~~ paragraph. I:ir. Sharp felt that the titrording in Item 7 - Recreation Area Required, ryas going to be difficult to meet be- cause someone mould have to go around each month to check or. the occupancy. He said if this is declared, it should be determined whether you have a higher or lower ratio of people and recommended that the staff change that. I.ir. Supinger reported that: 1 . ) l;ach mobilehome park is required to keep a register of each occupant during occupancy, although they may have to check periodic:zlly 2. ) If v/e make the determination at the time the ~iTse Permit is granted, it removes the flexibility that the cvmers might have and mould require that he come in foi a modification of a Use Permit. It vrould remove the flexibility from the owner's stand point. I.Ir. Sharp asked if this mould be a hardship to the I:Iobilehomes Association. 'Ir. Busch answered P.ir. Sharp by saying, the reason fn,- no pro- b~em ryas; if you have an Adult Park and it is your desire for accepting children, you mould have t~ provide a recreation area. You would not want to move in if there eras no place for the children to play. Th~- trend norv is to develop a children's parlc or an adult pant, it is not often you find a combination for this in this area. In the adult park, they do not want children living there. Chairman Liarsters wanted to know if other travel trailez~ parlss have the same criteria for this and P.Ir. Supinger ansvrered - they do not, they just require a flat amount of area for the amount of spaces, because this allows more f 1 e~ci.hi7.it~r . It ryas moved b P.Ir. Halus seconded by P.ir. Brand that t e .Iobile ome Parlt District Re ations be continued to t e c ober 4th meetin and that the Ci A orne e re ues ed to draft the a ro date ordinance for t Commission's~recommenda ion to t e City ouncil. I.Ir. Supinger wanted to l~norr if all three (3) amend- ments, r/hich were made by T.Ir. Brand, Lir. Sharp and I.1r. Halus, mould be included in this ordinance. I.Ir. Sharp said if T.Ir. Supinger Baas ~~rilling to check each month on the number of occupants living in the mobile- homes he eras ss.tisfied and the a~~endment he Proposed would not be irclu;;+ed. 1 The above :::ot~._. , ~cc' :^li. "~ ail. ..~,. franc, ~ --r~,'> 2. I1-1'-06-223 - ~.:II,D Ai.Il3uli::<G_. ti~lt~ ICL 1_l.D all - ROOI.i S~S~PI,'~ 51:1~~5 To consider a~~plicatioi for L7se Permit i:o. tP- 66-223 of George :! . .:quiro, to per.nit the oper- ation o:i al: ambulance service and sicltroom supply sales. Site io location of existing building numbered 736-740 l~iest First Street, Tustin. i.ir. Supinger presented tine staff report recommending that UP-vv-223 lie ~r~:_2tECi subject to the follocring condition: That all oxygen cylinders shall be stored only in rooms in ~~hicl: no neater is located and that such cylinders shall be fastened securely to a gall. Chairman I.iarsters opened the hearing to the public at 8:15 P.i.I. I.Irs. Aquino, representing the hind Ar;bulance Service, gave a brief summary explaining the reason for the application -She said it :-ras evident ~tilat ~-re outgre~~ the facility ~7e ~rere in. Our operation gre~•r fast and rre needed to locate at a larger facility. It ~-rould be the sai:ie -type of operati on~~~-rith no change and insofar- as the recommendation and requirements of your staff, these have been met. The oxygen cylinders are trio (2) rooms from a heater and are secured with a chain to a crap . There being no further coi:uaents or objections, the hearing ~•ras declared closed at 8:20 P.I.I. I.ir. aharp cluostior_ed the antenna location and if the parlcing eras acienuate. In arsrrer to this, Lir. Supinger said the antenna mould remair_ in the same place and parking bras adequate . I.ir. I3alus aslced i.irs . Aquino if it eras her intent and understanding that the vehicles ~-~ould be parked on the premises alzd r_ot on the street . I.irs . Arluino said the par'.;ing ~•rould be on the premises . IIefner, .~* IIP~6- V. 1. COUIITY CASL tN-5793, Re: 400 Bed Ilospital OLD BUSIII%SS i.Ir. Supinger suggested that the Planning Commission continue this case to the re}.t regular Manning Commission meetir_g, in view of the fact that the County Planl~ing Conriissio~l had not subr.:it :;ccl a ~:ull e:;t~.l'~., Z C _ c70_. Cli ~_ll , .: ~. ;tGr. i_ ;,~~`.(..Gi;e;~.,~ T.__c.t ~i-C; niOL%:i ~;~ O- ~....__ is c ~O'._. _ll~.-_ ..1112, ~:0:'."%._:~:,_0~:1 vv delay ,,,. ,,.~..-~ ~-- -'~-w . I.iotion carried by Roll Call: Ayes: Brand, Iiefner, i.iarsters, IIalus, Sllarp, Oster. floes: Bone. Absent: Bacon i.Ir. Supinger :aid if there .,ere ar~y questions the Commission :could like to leave answered, :'.:rs . Lois i.ierrill ~:~ao '.~.:•_o tcr~ ~ht and would probably be glad to give any .r:.formation that she could. I.:rs. I.ierri.ll, i:he applicant, told the alanlling Com- mission tra7, i;here has bee:1 a change from a 400 bed hospital to ~~C•0 beds, although the overall lay-out remained t11E: : ame ~•rith 962 parking ,paces and the structure bF~ir:g of Spanish motif, nllich ~-rould fit in ve?~y app~•oY~riately ~•rith the other i'ustin build- ing, . `ihe 1..~:~pital ~-;ould be a t~:•o (2) story structure because a or.c~ (1) Utory structure ~•~ould :.ot facilitate 200 beds. In ar_s~-rer to i.:r. Ilefner's question about the effects it may preser:i. to the residential a~^ea, i.irs. I.ierrill said the parl•:ir_g ~rould be at the Plorth end of the fifteen (15) acres r~alcing it presentable and accept- able to the ~•esidential area. i.ir. Halus asl_ed ho~•~ they ~~rould screen the noise of emergency vehicles, the traffic pattern, flee parlting area, the glare of lights and in general, all irri- tating effec-l;s caused by this kind of operation. Llrs. LIerrill commented that the entrance Mould be on rle~•rport ~lvenv.e only, tlia.t the parking area teas de- signed for tY.e idorth end and ors the South end: mould be the Irlter-r.'s residence, ~rhich would also allo~•r parking. ThE lights for the parking area grill be on posts raisad from the groLUrd approyimately l~ ft. , and will be ciln, for parking or_ly. The landscaping tirould be sucY that it wculd present a beautiful viet-r and hardly lc ol; like a h~~spital . T.ir. I3alus ~-rar.ted to ?;norr if the intent ;-gas that event- ually it wou~ d become a six. (6) story, four r~undred ( 400) bed iio~pital - I.Irs . i.:er. rill said it had been mater planrc.d for this and they ~•~ould like to~ see it expand to a ; ix (6) sto~~ ~-, four Hundred (400) bed hospital, but that this r;culd not happen for some time. I.Ir. Sharp aslted hoer many employees a hospital of this size (200 bed) would need, and warted a definition as to the type of hospital that it is . I.Irs . I.ierrill did not kno~•i the number of people that mould be needed to serve the hospital and in answer to the "type" of hos- pital -said it would be anon-profit hospital oriented by the people of Tustin. I.Irs. i.Ierrill said that actually, right norr, it has been suggested that our City put up the money for this hos- pital and it grill be anon-profit hospital and not oared by doctors, r,hich she feels if supported by the people, this gill be the best way to go because it ~~ill malte the citizens feel apart of it. I.ir. IIefner tiros concerned about the eccno~lic feasibility Of the hOSiJlt l r:l(1 CO;"i~1Cni;@U ~h,zt 11e rrc^.; 21Gt under the irlpres:._cr ,;.._.., -~_:;:~e ~~~a~, w.~~ __....::cai~~te .~c~ea .for ore in L111.J c`it.. 1.•L `.. ~... .,' ./. . ._.:.i .E'. ~~ ri.l1 `:~ ~~: ~. ...'"~~ `7 C:.:7 u. wry ol,.. _ ~ . , ;-.. _, ._ _. ., ,:edec _ _• _ I.ir. ilarsters asl~eci if thi:~ is to ue pr.oi_:oted by the cor.1-runit~T o.:id :rs . i.:crrii 1 said that this ~rhole plan ~•~as started •,;ith the ho:ae rnrners. I.,r~.PetCrS, .~til(' ~ b~?e ',lasj, `iUSt1.21, voiced filer approval for a hospital ar_d stated that property o~•mers ~~ottld rather go to a hospital in their orrn tom than another community ar~d felt a great need for a hospital in file City of ^lustiz. Lirs. '.:ass, 12792 Iie1-mort ewe., Tustir_, said she had been living in i'us~tin for a long time and thought a hospital of this nature ~~ould be a beautiful addition to the community. i.ir. Donald Ross - iIo]'th `iustir:, col:une:lteci that he had a large family, six children, and in the past year had had occasion for a reed of a 1ospital and that it eras necessary for hire to go to Orange. IIe felt, ~-r11at rras proposed here tonight, ~~ould be a tremendous step for~•~ard for the community. I,Irs. I,Ierrill said she ~~as prepared to speal; 0~1 the noise from sirens, but ~-rould like for Lirs. Aquino to give a brief talk about this since she is affiliated ~•rith an ambulance service. i.Irs. Aquino - spoke first of the need for a closer ho;~pital. Her opinion ~-~as t11at cue are faced r-rith a problem of finding a hospital for people that are extremely ill or involved ir_ serious accidents. She said it has been her ea-perience that St. Joesph's hospital has turned patients a:•ray due to lacl; of beds, so consequently they have to take a large portion to the county facility due to ti1C fact that is all that is available. She felt that ~t is quite along dis- tance and could possibly ~:ean death if something is not done. Concerning sirens, she stated that it is commonly kno~•m that a hospital is a "quiet" zone and that a siren is normally used only if in congested traffic - instructions are given to persor_nel to cut dorm on the siren three (3) or four (4) blocks from the hospital. She did not feel this ~~as a particular problem. I.ir. Oster said he ~-~ould like to go on record as saying 11e ~•rould not vote on this motion because he ocmed property in the area. It ~•~as moved by LIr. IIefner. seconded by LIr. IIalus that County Case W-5793 be continued to the October 24, 1966 Planning Commission I.ieetin~; -asking. that a letter be directed to the County Planning Commiss~.on requesting that -they delay action on this case until the Tustin Planning Commission has received amore extensive re- port from their office. Vote by Loll Call: Ayes: 3rard, Iiefr.er, ::arste_s, IIa1L~.s, Sharn. :does: Itonc. libstainec.: Gear. Absent: ~acor_ VI. ?L.'':i1ilIiiG CO;.,.:IaSI01~? ilORi.;iii01 CCIiC=' ~?I1:G I1L`';l GIsIILP,AL PL.%'.I? BUS IIdL'SS I.ir. Supinger said that the staff r:;ay r;isli to hold a ~-rorlcshop relating to some usc:~ . I.ir. I-Ialus stated that there ~~as really only one item of concern and that Maybe it could be resolved tonight. I.Ir. Outer su~;;ested t:lat it be discussed to- night after the Planning Commission I.ieeting and I.ir. Supinger concurred. VII. COL'I;^`I CAS% UV-5796 -Uses Permitted in Texaco CORRI;S- Service Station PONDIrIICD To permit: 1. The addition of four (4) portable signs. 2. The addition of a combination ice and re- fresP.r~ent vending stall and 3. The storage and sale of propane and butane gas and tai~lts all in connection ~-;it1z the existing service station of the premises in the R-4 Subur'oan Residential District. Lir. Suping.^.r presented the staff report recommending denial of tlli.s al~plice.tion for tine follo~-ring reasons: 1. A service station is not a permitted use in the R-4 District and has been established under the Use Variance procedure c~hich is not an appropriate use of tizis procedure . The_°e should be a zone change to com::~ercial. 2. A refresh~:.ent atarc: wnd the sale of propane and butane gws are not included in the definition of appropriate services provided by service stations in the proposed County Commercial package or the Austin Zoning Ordinance. 3. The refreshment sta1zd ~-ras established prior to appropriate approval. 4. These services compete directly crith established businesses in the area supplying the same services. These established businesses deserve to be pro- tected. Also, it is our fear that .the establish- ment of such uses t~rith service sta•~ions ciould re- sult in the addition of further commercial uses, such as has happened in the case of the drug store which has come to be a variety store. It eras I.ir. Halus's feeling that the refreshment stand ~~as not an appropriate use in service stations and that the amount of signs ~•ras a gross measure . I.ir. Supinger Uaid that he folt if thi:~ i.~ ^llorred to ta'•te place, ti1;;:1 tl.~y ~~ill ~e addi~.~, oti:~:r uses acid 11P. COlll~l iGiG.G-~t. .:;G::i~;tl-:~i"?E:• i;1~.; ;iO~;:i:1t'" C1~ Oj' ~t 11102 .C T,11C3 dl'1~,~ ., i.0:.. . 7s!1C1: i.~,.~i .~. ~::.^.C c^,. ~'~^.,-. __ -.r •, ,!" :::;~«x~ ~;:«. I.ir. Sha~~p questioned if this ryas the norr.~a1 criteria of a i fanning Cor.~::ission to deal c~it:~ and i.Ir. Supinger stated tha~L he thou~;la the Commission c;oul~l be rerlsU if they did r_ot con- sider economics. LIr. I~Iefner stated that this prono~al ~•ras in direct conflict c;ith ol;r Service StatiorL Standards and Guide. i.ir. Supinger. - '; e have a J: e ~ erriit goveri:ing the P.ed Iiill, I,a~ana Te}:aco Service Station and they have been notified tr=ice by the Building Department of violating their TJse Permit . I.ir. Brand said in all dae respect to the Planning Commission he did not feel economics eras a con- cern of the staff -that it eras like the Government taking over for the free enterprise and felt that ~~e should stay cut of the economic paz•t of it . I.Ir. I~Iefner said if ~•re do deny this, it should not be based upon economics. T.Ir. Brand gave a report on the Texaco Station lo- cated at Tlecrport and the freec~ay, after driving by there before the meeting and tools a survey of all the signs. Report ~~as: four (4) size 5' x 3', four (4) 2' x 3', five (5) miscellaneous, includ- ing one (1) blue chi stamp sign, three (3) neon Texaco signs, one (1~ ice and food sign and several more. i.ir. Halus said this rras the epitome that rye have been rror?ring against and that it made him shudder to think there ~-ras not an ordinance to prevent this. I:e recommended that the Service Station Standards be re-submitted to the City Council and ~•rould liLe to see the City take a stronger star_d on this type of thing -Signs, food and other uses that are not normally permitted and that are violating the regu- lations. I.ir. Gill explained to the Com.~iiN~ion that the City is just noc~ getting undertray to really ~•rorh on this. ~•~as moved by i.ir. Sharp and seconded by I.ir. Oster .t I:Ir. Supinmer direct a letter to the Oran e Coun .nnin~ Commission voicing; t eir disapproval of W- ~6 for the follo~•rint~ reasons: 1. A service station is not a permitted use in the R-4 (Suburban Residential) District. The existing station has been established by Use Variance ~~hich rre feel is not an appropriate use of the procedure. Such a use should be established only through re- classification to the eppropriate co::unercial district. 2. T]:~e _~ei_•e; _..: c> t sJ.;r.._~i .:~:; e: :;~~,:~:~1 ~..i~e~a _ ~...~ r. 3. The refreshment stand and the sale of butane and propane gas uses are not included as appropriate services incidental to service stations as set forth in the Proposed County Conunercial Packa a and the 'Tustin Policy Guide or ervice a ion Developme~- The above motion was carried by Roll Call: Ayes: Brand, Hefner, luiarsters, Halus, Sharp, Oster. Noes: Noen. Absent: Bacon. VIII. NONE OTHER BUSINESS IX. It was moved b I:Tr. ADJOURN- t t e mee ink be T~~NT efner, seconded by t~:r. Oster diourned. Diotion carried There being no further business before the Planr_ing Commission, the meeting was adjourned at 9:00 P.I,T. CHAIRP:IAN ~ % j i, , S ~ ~ TAB