HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC MINUTES 1989 09 18MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING
OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
CITY OF TUSTIN, CALIFORNIA
SEPTEMBER 18, 1989
I. CALL TO ORDER/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
The meeting was called to order by Mayor Pro Tem Edgar at 7:00 p.m.
in the City Council Chambers, 300 Centennial Way. The Pledge of
Allegiance was led by Councilman Kelly.
II. INVOCATION - The Invocation was given by Henry Sellers with the First
Baptist Church on Newport Avenue.
III. ROLL CALL
IV.
Council Present: Richard B. Edgar, Mayor Pro Tem
Ronald B. Hoesterey
John Kelly
Earl J. Prescott
Council Absent: Ursula E. Kennedy
Others Present: William A. Huston, City Manager
James G. Rourke, City Attorney
Mary E. Wynn, City Clerk
W. Douglas Franks, Chief of Police
Christine Shingleton, Com. Development Director
Ronald A. Nault, Finance Director
Robert Ledendecker, Director of Public Works
Laura Kuhn, Senior Planner
Approximately 75 in the audience
Royleen White, Director of Administrative Services
PUBLIC HEARING
1. APPEAL OF VARIANCE 89-10
Christine Shingleton, Director of, Community Development, reported
that the applicant has asked that this Public Hearing be con-
tinued to the October 16, 1989, City Council Meeting. Mayor Pro
Tem Edgar opened the Public Hearing at 7:03 p.m. There were no
speakers on the subject.
It was moved by Kelly, seconded by Hoesterey, to continue this
hearing to the October 16, 1989, City Council meeting.
The motion carried 4-0, Kennedy absent. ia6
2. PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE PURPOSE OF DECLARING A PUBLIC NUISANCE -
13151 RANCHWOOD ROAD
Laura Kuhn, Senior Planner, reported staff has been working with
code enforcement actions based upon complaints that have been
received from property owners in the vicinity of the property in
question. We have received complaints from nearby residents
since the property has been ahnexed into the City in 1986 or
1987. Staff presented to the Council in August a report that
staff has been working with the property owner trying to gain
compliance with problems of overgrown vegetation, and various
other items on the property which have been considered in viola-
tion of the City Code. Staff has received numerous complaints
on the property. There have been numerous contacts and some
compliance has been gained, however, continued maintenance has
been a problem. In an effort to secure continued compliance,
staff has scheduled this item for a hearing tonight to consider
public comment on the condition of the property. There is a
Resolution proposing that the property be declared a public
nuisance for the reasons outlined in the staff report which
includes the following: 1) Removal of overgrown vegetation, dead
landscaping and fallen fruit in the front and rear yards, which
causes a problem with flies, and 2) A permanent removal of all
debris from the property and replacement of dead and missing
landscaping with new ground cover as determined appropriate by
the property owner.
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The Public Hearing was opened at 7:09 p.m.
The following spoke about the lack of maintenance of subject
property:
Rob Greene, 10312 Deerhill, Santa Ana, and owner of 13166
Wickshire Lane
Leo E. Rojeski, 13152 Ranchwood
Julia Boynton, 13222 Wickshire
Gerald Feldman, 13191 Wickshire Lane, Chairman of the
Bellewick Community Association
Jim Peterson, 13165 Ranchwood Rd.
M. Napolitan, 13151 Ranchwood, owner of subject property, said
she had in past years had problems with children running over her
yard and trampling on whatever she tried to plant. She does not
request help from her neighbors but has requested the City of
Tustin to give some kind of referral as to a gardener to do the
job. As far as the property values, the sellers are getting very
good money for their property, as much as ten times what they
paid for it. It is not affecting property values.
The Public Hearing was closed at 7:32 p.m.
Councilman Kelly said the property owner has been well notified.
He visited the whole neighborhood and many have beautiful lawns.
He challenged all the owners to fix up their yards.
Councilman Hoesterey said that 9 different letters have gone out
since June of 1987, and each time that a letter goes out, there
is some partial clean up but there is not a continual maintenance
of the property and this has pushed the neighbors to seek some
help from the Council.
It was moved by Kelly, seconded by Hoesterey, to adopt Resolution
No. 89-138 as follows:
RESOLUTION NO. 89-138 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
CITY OF TUSTIN, CALIFORNIA, DETERMINING THAT CERTAIN CONDITIONS
ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 13151 RANCHWOOD ROAD (AP#500-011-24)
CONSTITUTES A PUBLIC NUISANCE AND HEREBY ORDERING ABATEMENT OF
SAID NUISANCE
The motion carried 3-1, Prescott opposed.
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3. ZONE CHANGE.89-02
Dan Fox, Associate Planner, reported that the subject zone change
requests to amend the First Street Specific Plan for the property
located at 640 W. First Street from Office as the Primary Use to
Commercial as the primary use. Design Review 89-52 is a proposal
for a 5,825 sq. ft. retail center and certain lot consolidation
and reciprocal parking/access bonuses pursuant to the First
Street Specific Plan.
The Public Hearing was opened at 7:42 p.m.
David Melilli, President of David Melilli Company, 23010 Lake
Forest Dr., Suite E, Laguna Hills, applicant for the Zone Change
said that the proposal will enhance the corner -by eliminating 2
driveway openings on First Street that create a traffic hazard
at the present time. He said that his architect Bill
Hockenberry was present and could answer any questions the
Council might have. Also Mr. Jeff Thompson who will be
relocating the existing Victorian house to a site on Sixth St,
where it will be restored from an office use back to a
residential use was present and available for questions regarding
the relocation of that historic property.
The Public Hearing was closed at 7:45 p.m.
It was moved by Hoesterey, seconded by Kelly, to adopt the
following:
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RESOLUTION NO. 89-137 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
CITY OF TUSTIN, CALIFORNIA, CERTIFYING THE FINAL NEGATIVE
DECLARATION AS ADEQUATE FOR ZONE CHANGE 89-02 AND DESIGN REVIEW
89-52 AND CERTAIN RECIPROCAL ACCESS AND LOT CONSOLIDATION
BONUSES, INCLUDING REQUIRED FINDINGS PURSUANT TO THE CALIFORNIA
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT
The motion carried 4-0. Kennedy absent.
It was moved by Hoesterev, seconded by Edgar, that Ordinance No.
1030 have first reading by title only. The motion carried 4-0,
Kennedy absent. Following first reading by title only of
Ordinance No. 1030 by the City Clerk, it was moved by Hoesterev,
seconded bV Kelly, to introduce Ordinance No. 1030 as follows:
ORDINANCE NO. 1030 - AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF TUSTIN, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING ZONE CHANGE 89-02, TO CHANGE THE
LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE FIRST STREET SPECIFIC PLAN FROM
"OFFICE AS PRIMARY USE"' TO "COMMERCIAL AS PRIMARY USE" ON THE
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 640 WEST FIRST STREET
The motion carried 4-0, Kennedy absent. 110
4. APPEAL OF PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 89-
25 AND DESIGN REVIEW 88-66
Dan Fox, Associate Planner, reported that on August 28, 1989, the
Planning Commission adopted Resolution No. 2659 denying
Conditional Use Permit 89-25/Design Review 88-66, to establish
5,000 square foot full service car wash to be located at 240 E.
First Street. The applicant has appealed the decision of the
Planning Commission to the City Council for consideration. The
proposed development plans include a 5,000 sq. ft car wash which
will include a wash tunnel which is situation on the east side
of the property. There will also be within the building a lobby
area, rest rooms, accessory office for the business portion. A
full service fueling and vacuum facilities will be located under
a trellis element on the west side of the property. Vehicles
would approach the site and in a counter clockwise fashion move
through the wash tunnel and exit in the NE corner of the site.
The Commission noted concern over inconsistencies with the First
Street Specific Plan and potential traffic impact that this
project could create. The First Street Specific Plan identifies
this site as primary use as retail development and gives this
site a high development potential since the site is vacant. A
car wash is not an outright permitted use but is identified as
a service commercial use and is authorized by the issuance of a
Conditional Use Permit. A traffic study was prepared for the
project which identified that basically that there would not be
any significant traffic impact associated with the project.
However, the Commission expressed further concern related to
cumulative impacts in the area,,particularly with the operation
to the intersections at First and Prospect and at the Post Office
and other surrounding land uses generate a fairly substantial
amount of traffic. An additional concern was expressed regarding
the site design and the lack of stacking as the vehicles exit the
drying area, and the inability of vehicles to exit the site to
a secondary access without going through the wash tunnel. There
was also concern related to the amount of parking and the
potential number of employees to the number of parking spaces.
The Planning Commission also noted other inconsistencies with the
goals and policies of the First Street Specific Plan,
particularly those that encourage pedestrian friendly uses,
encourages circulation between adjacent properties, and
development of retail uses along this corridor of the community.
The applicant has done a commendable job in the design of the
facility. Based upon the action of the Planning Commission and
review of the project, it is recommended that the City Council
uphold the Planning Commission's actions to deny Conditional Use
Permit 89-25 and Design Review 88-66.
The Public Hearing was opened at 7:50 p.m.
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Henry Kumagai, 19021 Canyon Drive, Villa Park, CA, owner of the
property, said that he and his architect, Dennis McCullough had
been working for the past year with the Planning staff making
changes to meet all the goals of the First Street Specific Plan.
One of the concerns of the Planning Department is the number of
parking spaces for the employees. He has added 2 more parking
spaces on the West side of the property to bring the number of
parking spaces from 7 to 9.
Christine Shingleton said that this was some new information that
has not gone back to the Planning Commission. The Council has
the option of referring the matter back as modified to the
Planning Commission for additional information in a report.
Mr. Kumagai said that if there are more than 9 employees, we are
planning to use a car pooling program for the employees. The
Planning Commission wants 9 parking spaces for them. Another
concern is stacking of cars coming out of the tunnel. We could
move the tunnel back about 5 ft., and maybe make the front wall
that is ten feet from the property line to about 8 ft., it will
make room in the drying area, and then we would be able to have
about 10 to 12 cars in the drying area. To cut down time in the
drying area we are going to install 2 dryers in the car wash. The
first dryer will remove about 90% of the water off of the
vehicle, and then it goes through a second dryer and removes most
of the rest of the water off of the vehicles. By the time the
car reaches the drying area, it should only take a few minutes
to dry the rest of the car. Another concern was the traffic the
car wash would generate. He said he anticipated about 10 cars
every 15 minutes but could handle 60 cars an hour. He cited the
car wash on Redhill and El Camino as having 200 to 300 cars a
day, with 350 to 400 on Saturday. He said the Redhill car wash
has 15,760 sq. ft., which is less than 2/3rds the size of his
lot.
Christine Shingleton said this should go back to the Planning
Commission since Staff or the Cgmmission have not seen the new
information.
Steve Sasaki, with Weston, Pringle and Associates, 2651 E.
Chapman, Traffic Consultants for the project, said there were
some questions raised at the Planning Commission that weren't
clarified. 900 trip ends means 450 cars going in and out. The
driveway would be increased from 27' to 30' or 32' which would
help movement in and out of the site and would help to reduce a
conflict -on First St.
Pieter Dwinger, Construction Consultant, who has been working
with Mr. Kumagai for the last several years, guiding and
assisting him in putting this project together, said the issues
that have been brought up have been addressed by Mr. Kumagai by
moving the building back 51. This does not encroach into the
rear setback. He did not want to build a shopping center because
there are many of them around. He saw many empty. office
buildings on Irvine and he has hot been in that business, he has
been in the automotive business his whole life. In fact he owns
another automobile business in Tustin. Furthermore he has a deed
restriction preventing him from having any kind of food service,
so that limits the usage of this property and therefore he has
moved forward in designing this project. I believe it would be
a tremendous asset to the City both aesthetically and revenue
wise. 'I encourage the Council to accept this project and move
forward with it.
Keith Rankin, 13321 Nixon Circle, Tustin, owner of the property
178, 180, 182 Preble Drive spoke regarding his property which
backs up to the alley directly behind the Post office. His
tenants are constantly about traffic going down the alley. He
felt this project would need more parking.
Councilman Hoesterey said that there is no access to the alley
on this project. There will be a wall across the back of the
property.
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The Public Hearing was dosed at 8:10 p.m.
It was moved by Prescott, seconded by Hoesterev, to approve
subject project.
Councilman Kelly said that he thought the architectural design
was right for the street and the Environmental Impact Report
considered it as very positive. I would like to see the Planning
Commission go over this one more time before it reaches the
Council.
Councilman Prescott, with approval of Councilman Hoesterev who
seconded the motion, amended his motion, to close the Public
Hearing, refer this back to the Planning Commission, and then
have it back on the Council Agenda for October 16th. The motion
carried 4-0, kennedy absent.
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AGENDA ORDER - NEW BUSINESS NO. 3
3. NEWSPAPER STANDS - PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY
Councilman Kelly asked that this item be taken out of agenda
order.
Councilman Prescott requested that this item be agendized. He
asked anyone wishing to speak on this item to come forward and
do so.
LeAnn Jones, 685 Center St., Costa Mesa and McCready Johnson were
in favor of getting rid of this pornographic material.
It was moved by Edgar, seconded by Hoesterey, that we enforce our
existing code which reads:
Chapter 2, Part 1, Section 7211 and 7212:
7211: OBSTRUCTING STREETS, SIDgWALKS AND ALLEYS
It shall be unlawful for any person to place any obstruction of
any kind in or upon any public street, alley or sidewalk in the
City or to authorize, procure or permit any obstruction to be
placed therein or thereon, except as may be required by employees
or officials of the City in the proper discharge of their duties.
(Ordinance No. 9, Section 13)
7212: NEWS STANDS PROHIBITED IN PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY
It shall be unlawful for any person to place within, in, on,
upon or over any part of the public right-of-way in the City of
Tustin, including any public street, alley, parkway or sidewalk,
any stand, rack, holder, self-service stand, coin-operated box,
container, storage unit or other device for the purpose of
offering for sale, vending, distributing or giving away
newspapers, periodicals or other• printed matter, or to authorize
cause or permit any such placement. (Ord. No. 583)
Councilman Kelly said that he' had received a number of phone
calls on this issue and he had participated in a telephone/radio
broadcast on this s ubject. He would like to see that our
ordinance pertaining to streets and highways under Section 7211
be implemented. He suggested that we should include allowing
placement of Postal boxes.
Attorney Rourke said that the Federal Government has the right
to put Post Office boxes there. He said the appropriate action,
since a number of news racks have been in the right of way for
a long time, would be a written notice to the various newspapers
that have racks in the City advising them of the ordinance and
requesting, that they remove them right away. He did not think
it would be advisable to start picking them up and carting them
away. They should be given a reasonable time to remove them.
If they are not removed by that time, then we will take other
steps. This would be my advise to the staff as to how to handle
this.
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Mayor Pro Tem Edgar called for the question on the motion for a
swift implementation of the ordinance on the books. Motion
carried 4-0, Kennedy absent.
It was moved by Edgar, seconded by Hoesterev_, that staff be
directed to make the formal notification to the owners of the
news racks that they have three days to comply and if they don't
comply, we confiscate the stands and impound them. Staff to
give us a report as to how to dispose of them. Motion carried
4-0. Kennedy absent.
LeAnne Jones, 685 Center St., Costa Mesa, and McCready Johnston
were in favor of getting rid of this pornographic material.
PUBLIC HEARING NO. 5
M. -
APPEAL OF PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVAL OF DESIGN REVIEW 87-37 AND
AMENDMENT TO USE PERMIT 87-30
The Planning Commission originally approved Design Review 87-37
for the Tustin Market Place in January of 1988.
Steve Rubin, Senior Planner, gave the staff report. On August
14th, the Planning Commission approved the design review and an
amendment to Conditional Use Permit for the Movie Theatre and
Retail Complex in the North Entertainment Village of the Tustin
Market Place. The Planning Commissions' action was subsequently
appealed by the City Council. on August 21st. The North
Entertainment Village is located north of E1 Camino Real,
slightly west of Jamboree. Rd. There are a total of 6 buildings
which make up the North Entertainment Village, 3 of those are
stand alone buildings that are to be developed at a later date.
The movie theatre and the retail complex that is the subject of
this evening's appeal, consists of 3 buildings that are linked
together physically. The central building is a 2 story structure
measuring 46 ft. in height and would contain a sixplex movie
theatre. The ground floor of that building as well as the
remaining 2 buildings which measure between 20' and 29' in height
would consist of a variety of different retail and restaurant
tenants.
The central issue of the Planning Commission's meeting and
subject of this evenings appeal have to do with towers that are
part of the entertainment complex. In January of 1988, the
Planning Commission approved the overall design review for the
Tustin Market Place and at that time approved UP87-30 permitting
a total of five towers to exceed a height of 50' up to a maximum
height of 70' in the Entertainment Village. Four of these towers
were for the purpose of displaying a laser light beam and the
fifth tower was a free standing tower within the movie
theatre/retail complex.
The present proposal that was considered by the Planning
Commission on August 14th was for a total of 6 towers, four of
them being the laser towers and°two of them being towers that are
within the Movie Theatre Complex. The Planning Commission
approved one tower for a total height of 65' located at the
entrance of the Edwards Theatre. They felt that this tower did
provide a prominent entry for the movie theatre. They did have
concerns about the second tower as to the necessity of the 65'
height and consequently approved the project, requiring that
tower be reduced in height to 46' which is the height of the
building. The applicant was present to represent their original
proposal.
The Public Hearing was opened at 8:53 p.m.
The meeting was temporarily stopped because Councilmen Kelly and
Prescott left the podium and there was not a quorum.
Leason F. Pomeroy, III, 44 Plaza Square, Orange, architect,
described the proposal. The second story was what was turned
down. This project deals with unique design determinants. The
site is regional, it is a very dominant site and it is very
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large. The uses are also large and primarily made up of large
blank walls. Our design utilized the large walls as organizing
elements and utilized color and vertical elements to deal with
the issues of identity and scale. In my opinion, the theme
building in the Village need a vertical element on the primary
entry side. It needs it to bring the building into proportional
balance or scale and to signify the activity node or to provide
identity. As originally designed, for the building to be
aesthetically successful, I respectfully request that you
reevaluate the vertical element height so that it might be of the
proper and consistent proportion.
Councilman Prescott asked him to address the color purple.
Mr. Pomeroy said it is difficult to speak about purple unless you
have worked with this project from the beginning. In this
particular project, in conceiving this 70 some odd acre site
initially with the design determinants that we had, several
architects were commissioned by the Irvine Company for the early
work on this project. The concept evolved that it would be a
project made up of massive walls, that the project would be
turned inward, with the walls facing to the outside to create an
opportunity for 3 separate shopping centers, and that since the
site was so large and the buildings were so low, that certain
elements needed to be brought to this design that would extenuate
it as a regional shopping center. Those 2 elements were vertical
elements in terms of scale and color. The color purple and the
other colors of pink and yellow were picked to become accents
and to show vitality and excitement within this project. The
base filling colors are more earthen tone, darker, to set this
project apart from others. I believe to speak about any color,
you have to be site specific. This is a large scale, low rise
kind of development. It is about 300 acres. I think it. is very
appropriate here.
The Mayor Pro Tem closed the Public Hearing at 9:13 p.m.
It was moved by Kelly, seconded by Prescott, to recess for 10
minutes at 9:20 p.m. Carried 4-0. Kennedy absent.
The meeting was reconvened at 9:30 p.m.
It was moved by Hoesterey, seconded by Edgar, to adopt Resolution
No. 89-140 as follows:
RESOLUTION NO. 89-140 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
CITY OF TUSTIN, FINDING THAT THE FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT
REPORT (EIR) FOR THE EAST TUSTIN SPECIFIC PLAN, AS AMENDED BY
SUBSEQUENTLY ADOPTED SUPPLEMENTS AND ADDENDA IS ADEQUATE TO SERVE
AS THE PROGRAM EIR FOR DESIGN REVIEW 87-37 AND AN AMENDMENT TO
USE PERMIT 87-30 AND ALL FEASIBLE MITIGATION MEASURES HAVE BEEN
INCORPORATED AS REQUIRED BY THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
ACT
Motion carried 4-0. Kennedy absent.
It was moved by Hoesterey, seconded by Prescott, to adopt
Resolution No. 89-141 with requested change to 65' that would be
compatible with the other tower. Carried 4-0. Kennedy absent.
RESOLUTION NO. 89-141 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE
CITY OF TUSTIN, UPHOLDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION ON
DESIGN REVIEW 87-37 FOR THE THEATRE/RETAIL FACILITY OF THE NORTH
ENTERTAINMENT VILLAGE OF THE TUSTIN MARKET PLACE AND OVERTURNING
THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION ON AN AMENDMENT TO CUP 87-30,
REVISING THE LOACTION AND DESIGN OF THE PERMITTED TOWER OVER 50'
IN HEIGHT IN THE THEATRE/RETAIL FACILITY OF THE NORTH
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V. PUBLIC INPUT
1. VICTORY OUTREACH CAR WASH
Bent Powell, 13052 Newport Avenue Chevron Station, asked for a
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continuance of the permit for the Victory Outreach Car Wash at
his service station. This is their way to make a living. He had
been to their home and met the gentleman in charge and the money
they earn keeps them off of welfare. He has received literature
from people saying these people need to get off the street. They
don't have the money to get a license. He supplies the water and
all the money goes to them. They are there for a year and then
they help them find jobs. He had a petition with 161 signatures
and he asked the Council to see a way to help these people.
Pam Kowalski spoke about the importance of this program. She
said a lot of people use cocaine and this is wrong. She said
this Victory Outreach Program is people off of drugs. They have
the support from each other. Rehabilitation takes a long time.
She asked that the Council approve this Car Wash.
It was moved bV Prescott, seconded by Hoesterev, for the City
to accommodate these service groups and that we not close them
down.
Councilman Hoesterey asked for input .from the Community
Development Director.
Christine Shingleton, Community Development Director, said she
supported. the organization but had informed them that they need
a Temporary Use Permit which would be for a year. After that
they could apply for a Conditional Use Permit. This would have
to go to the Planning Commission, and if you direct, we could
waive the fees.
It was moved by Hoesterey, seconded by Prescott, to agendize
waiving of fees for the next City Council meeting and then the
applicant could apply to the Planning Commission for a Use
Permit. The motion carried 4-0, Kennedy absent.
2. CONDUCT OF COUNCILMAN PRESCOTT
Roger Evans, 1391 Bullard, said that he was upset and appalled.
At 7:00 p.m., he turned on the TV to watch the Council meeting
and he was appalled and disgusted at Councilman Prescott's
actions tonight. He said he did not know what his problem was
but he was upset by it.
Councilman Kelly said that at the last meeting he asked
Councilman Hoesterey for his apology regarding the Karcher and
Marriott family and he did not get it.
Mr. Evans said that he had written to all the City Council
members. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. I am talking
about ethical manners and his manners were rude and
disrespectful.
Councilman Prescott said that his comments were well taken.
Councilman Prescott said he thbught the Council should address
Councilman Hoesterey's lies.
Robert Wehm, Tustin resident, said he was offended by Council-
man Prescott putting his feet upon the desk. He had a strange
feeling that they got together to do this to bring up the
apology.
Robert Winn, I have lived in Tustin for 28 years. I have
attended the meetings time after time and I was offended at
Councilman Prescott turning his back on the TV and the audience
and putting his feet upon the desk.
Councilman Prescott apologized.
VI. CONSENT CALENDAR
It was moved by Kelly, seconded by Prescott, to approve the
Consent Calendar as follows:
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1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 5, 1989, ADJOURNED REGULAR
MEETING
2. APPROVAL OF DEMANDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $2,669,529.86
RATIFICATION OF PAY ROLL IN THE AMOUNT OF $203,620.87
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3. ENTRY SIGNS - AUTHORIZATION TO SOLICIT BIDS
Authorized solicitation of bids for the installation of new
entry signs as recommended by the Community Development .
Department. gt,,?B
4. RESOLUTION NO. 89-143 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF TUSTIN, CALIFORNIA, APPROVING LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT
NO. 89-3
Adopted Resolution No. 89-143 approving Lot Line Adjustment
No. 89-3 as recommended by the Public Works
Department/Engineering Division.
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5. RESOLUTION NO. 89-144 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF TUSTIN, CALIFORNIA, ACCEPTING WORKS OF IMPROVE- MENT
AND AUTHORIZING RECORDATION OF NOTICE OF COMPLETION FOR
CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS AND WHEELCHAIR RAMPS, SB821 PROJECT
1988-89 FISCAL YEAR
Adopted Resolution No. 89-144 accepting said work and
authorizing the recordation of the Notice of Completion as
recommended by the Public Works Department/Engineering
Division. 86B
6. RESOLUTION NO. 89-142 - A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF
THE CITY OF TUSTIN, CALIFORNIA, AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION AND
DELIVERY OF THE SECOND SUPPLEMENTAL INDENTURE OF TRUST AND
AUTHORIZING CERTAIN RELATED MATTERS
Adopted Resolution 89-142 approving the Second Supplemental
Indenture amending the Original Indenture and authorized the
Mayor or Mayor Pro Tem to execute the Amended Indenture as
recommended by the Director, of Finance. 50
7. LAW ENFORCEMENT/PUBLIC WORKS COMMUNICATION SYSTEM TRUST FUND
Authorized the City Finance Director to deposit funds in the
County of Orange's Law Enforcement/Public Works Communica-
tions System Trust Fund, and transfer $142,125 from the
appropriated reserves in the Capital Improvement Fund to the
General Fund for the first deposit for Police and Public
Works and appropriated. $9,200 from the unappropriated
reserves of the Water Fund for it's proportionate share, for
a total appropriation from all funds of $151,325 as recom-
mended by the Director of Finance. 50
VII. ORDINANCES FOR INTRODUCTION - None
VIII. ORDINANCES FOR ADOPTION - None
IS. OLD BUSINESS
1. AIRPORT STATUS REPORT - JOHN WAYNE AIRPORT (JWA), AIRPORT
SITE COALITION (ASC), COALITION FOR A RESPONSIBLE AIRPORT
SOLUTION (CRAS), AND HELICOPTER OVERFLIGHTS TASK FORCE
(HOPTF)
Based upon the information that is presented and based upon
the logic that we critically need to support the fight
against the El Toro site, it was moved by Edgar, seconded
by Hoesterey, to appropriate $1,000 to support their
continuing activity.
Councilman Kelly voiced his opposition to that
appropriation. Councilman Prescott concurred with
Councilman Kelly. 2-2 vote.
Mayor Pro Tem Edgar said that based. upon the fact that there
is obviously a 2-2 vote on this issue, it will remain on'the
agenda and be continued to the next meeting.
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Councilman Prescott said he would take that under advisement
and will advise the chair that all matters that die 2-2,
be continued to the next meeting. That is a very important
precedent for this body.
It was moved by Kelly, seconded by Edgar, to receive and
file the balance of the report. Carried 4-0. Kennedy
absent.
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2. CIVIC CENTER EXPANSION/RENOVATION
Christine Shingleton, Director of Community Development,
said that there were concerns about the Council Chambers.
Mr. Bates is present to summarize the modifications.
It was moved by Prescott, seconded by Kelly, to continue
this matter until we have a body of 5 members present.
Councilman Prescott said that what is proposed is that
future Councilmembers sit in a narrow expanse to look at
the door. I say that we need to look the public in the eye.
Motion carried 4-0, Kennedy absent.
IT WAS MOVED BY PRESCOTT, SECONDED BY KELLY TO RECESS THE MEETING
FOR FIVE MINUTES AT 10:11 P.M.
COUNCIL RECONVENED AT 10:16 P.M.
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3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF AUGUST 21, 1989, AND TRANSCRIPT OF
ORDINANCES FOR INTRODUCTION - ORDINANCE NO. 1027, COUNCIL
REORGANIZATION
Mayor Pro Tem Edgar said that the Council has in their
possession transcripts of all of the literal words that have
been said by all of the Council and as we look at the words
that are literally expressed, then you find things. that
have been said were taken out of context and when taken out
of context, there are different types of interpretation
about what was said. My personal feeling is that we have
made a great deal of discussion that really is non
productive and based on that fact, I think that we can
respond to the formal advise that we have received from our
City Attorney and that advise is that outside of some very
limited mandatory things that must be in the Minutes, such
as approval of Minutes and approval of Ordinances and
Resolutions, we really have the option as a City Council to
either have a long dialogue in terms of the minutes or a
very short dialogue depending upon our desire as to what is
contained. With that in mind, it was moved by Edgar,
seconded by Hoesterey, that all controversial discussion
that we have had be extracted and deleted from the Minutes
so that it does not become a part of the public record and
that includes the Minutes of the 21st and prior meeting of
August.
It was moved by Prescott, seconded by Kelly, to recess for
5 minutes at 10:11 p.m. Motion carried 4-0.
The meeting was reconvened at 10:16 p.m.
Mayor Edgar asked if there was further discussion on the
pending motion.
Councilman Kelly offered an amendment to the motion,
seconded by Prescott, that Councilman Hoesterey apologize
with a retraction.
Councilman Prescott said that he did not think that any
member of this body should be able to offer false testimony
of quotations of any other fellow councilmembers, and
Councilmember Hoesterey should not be able to say that
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Councilmember Kelly said that Karl Karcher is a
crook or that the Marriott family are crooks. He
should either resign from the City Council or
unconditionally apologize.
Councilman Hoesterey said that if you are asking the Council
to direct me to give an apology to Mr. Kelly, I will vote
against that motion. We have spent a great deal of time as
Councilmembers involved in a number of projects in the City.
I believe that the item that is in question was the fact
that Mr. Kelly was upset at the way that his comments were
interpreted and the way that I responded to those comments.
In the context of the meeting that we had on the Tustin
Promenade project to which the applicants of that project
included the Carl's Jr. and the Marriott corporations, we
had long and heated discussions regarding the Tustin
Promenade Project. After those discussions, under a
separate agenda item which I believe had to do with the
Monterey Workshops, a comment was made by Mr. Kelly, as
evidenced by the transcripts, "that I am looking forward to
the trip to Monterey, and I hope that it's very helpful and
that we can put a lot of this Redevelopment crookedness out
of our community." My comments were in response to that
statement. The item on the agenda had to do with the
project that was at hand and the fact that there was
crookedness would have intimated that all parties involved
with the project were crooked. Consequently, if Mr. Kelly
is upset with the comments that were made, they were in
direct response to the comments that were afforded at that
particular time.
Councilman Prescott said that it was very paramount for the
citizens of Tustin to recognize that the record is very
clear and it has been substantiated by transcripts of the
City Clerk of Tustin that 1) Mr. Kelly never said that Mr.
Karcher is a crook, and 2) Mr. Kelly never said that the
Marriott family is a crook., In view of this transcript, I
think it is paramount that the citizens of Tustin are due
an unconditional apology by Mr. Hoesterey and they are due
that tonight and if Councilmember Hoesterey does not
unconditionally apologize, I am going to move that he be
censored.
Mayor Pro Tem Edgar asked to hear from Mr. Kelly.
Councilman Kelly said it is all in the transcripts. There
are a lot of hard feelings on this Council and it has been
substantiated and my colleague, second to my left has had
ample time to review the transcripts and the fact of the
matter without clouding it is he accused me of referring to
one of my all time heros, one of the champions of the free
enterprise system, Karl •Karcher, who started out his
business life as pushing a hotdog cart in the streets of Los
Angeles as being a crook. That cut right to the quick. 1
There have been a lot of`cheap shots on this Council and
that was the ultimate hit. I think that this ultimately
will come to a boil and it will end all of the hard feelings
that are on this Council. It will come to an ugly and
bitter end if we don't get to the retraction and the apology
that has been moved for this evening.
Mayor Pro Tem Edgar said the transcript is very precise.
Councilman Kelly said the whole issue has been, "Did John
Kelly refer to Karl Karcher, the members of the Marriott
Corporation as crooks. End of question. We want an answer.
Did he or did he not make that statement. And that is what
we want to get down to. You have the transcripts, we want
a clear concise answer.
Mayor Pro Tem Edgar said the answer is clear and simple from
the transcript. The transcript precisely states that you
said "That the Redevelopment crookedness in our community".
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Now when you said Redevelopment crookedness, you were then
casting criticism of the particular project in question.
You are casting criticism of our staff, which I don't agree
with one bit, you are casting criticism of Ron, Ursula, and
I.
Heated discussion followed.
Mayor Pro Tem Edgar called for the vote on the motion. The
vote was 2-2.
Further heated discussion followed and Mayor Pro Tem Edgar
asked the City Attorney if he could stop this dialog. The
City Attorney responded that there are apparently no motions
that can pass, so he advised to proceed to the next item.
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X. NEW BUSINESS
1. AWARD OF CONTRACT FOR THE ASPHALTIC CONCRETE PAVEMENT OVERLAY
OF EAST TUSTIN STREETS
It was moved by Hoesterev, seconded by Prescott, to award the
contract to the low bidder, Sully -Miller Contracting Company,
Orange, California, in the amount of $492,655.85 as recom-
mended by the Public Works Department/Engineering Division.
The motion carried 4-0, Kennedy absent.
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2. FIRE SAFETY
It was moved by Kelly, seconded by Prescott, receive and file
subject report as recommended by the Community Development
Department. Motion carried 4-0, Kennedy absent.
Councilman Kelly asked for inspection on the wooden stairs
at the Senior Citizen complex on 6th Street.
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3. NEWSPAPER STANDS - PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY
This item is recorded after Public Hearing No. 4 of these
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XI. REPORTS
1. PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION AGENDA, - SEPTEMBER 11, 1989
Mayor Pro Tem Edgar asked that the Council appeal the Sign
Code for City Council dialog.
It was moved by Kelly, seconded by Edgar, to ratify the
remainder of the Planning Commission Action Agenda of
September 11, 1989. Motion carried 4-0, Kennedy absent.
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2. STATUS REPORT ON 200 EL CAMINO REAL - PACIFIC MEAT COMPANY
It was moved by Hoesterev, seconded by Kelly, to receive and
file subject report as recommended by the Community Develop-
ment Department. Motion carried 4-0, Kennedy absent.
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3. STATUS REPORT OF STREET NAMING COMMITTEE
It was moved by Hoesterey, seconded by Kelly, to receive and
file subject report as recommended by the Community Develop-
ment Department. Motion carried 4-0, Kennedy absent.
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4. INVESTMENT SCHEDULE AS OF AUGUST 31, 1989
` It was moved by Hoesterey, seconded by Kelly, to receive and
file subject report as recommended by the Finance Director.
Motion carried 4-0, Kennedy absent. 50
5. NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM ACTIVITY ON SYCAMORE/NEWPORT
AREA
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It was moved by Hoesterey, seconded by Kelly, to direct staff
to conduct regular code enforcement action on properties in
violation of City Code(s) as recommended by the Community
Development Department and Police Department. Motion carried
4-0, Kennedy absent.
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XII. PUBLIC INPUT - None
XIII. OTHER BUSINESS
1. IMPROVEMENTS AT REDHILL AVENUE
The City Manager handed out a memo at the beginning of the
meeting to the Council which was'a report on Improvements at
Redhill. He asked the Council adjourn to a meeting within a
week. The Railroad has proposed that Redhill Avenue be closed
or partially closed for a period of time to make the improve-
ments at the grade crossing of Redhill. Bob Ledendecker has
done a report that outlines the different approaches. Our
recommendation would be that Redhill be closed for a weekend
which would require Council action to do that. The entire
four lanes would be closed.
Robert Ledendecker, City Engineer, said the action that we are
recommending is referred to in the report as Plan "C". It is
the total closure of Redhill Avenue from 10:30 p.m. on Friday
night to 3:00 p.m. on Sunday afternoon. This will allow the
Railroad to go in and replace the rails, the ballasts, and the
railroad ties on both sets of tracks, plus put down a new
rubber planking and resurface the approach of each direction
on Redhill. With adequate notification to the motoring
public, commencing about 2 weeks prior with signing, that the
street will be closed and with proper detouring to the west
-and to the east, there will be less impact to the motoring
public to close it for one weekend only. If we were to close
it and do 2 lanes at a time, it would take 2 similar type
weekends of closure. We have stipulated to the railroad that
we would have to have emergerAcy access across the tracks at
all times .and they have indicated they would be able to
provide that.
Mayor Pro Tem Edgar said the issue was clear and he was
supportive of staff recommendation.
It was moved by Edgar, seconded by Hoesterev, that we as a
Council consider this on an emergency basis so that we can
take a vote on it. Roll call vote was 4-0, Kennedy absent.
It was moved by Edgar, seconded by Hoesterey, that we accept
staff recommendation that we close Redhill Avenue at the
railroad tracks from 10:30 P.M. on Friday to 3:00 P.M. on
Sunday to replace railroad ties and put down rubber planking.
The motion carried 4-0, Kennedy absent. There will be 2 weeks
notice to the public.
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2. WARRANT RUNS BE LISTED BY DEPARTMENT
Councilman Kelly said he had asked that the Warrant runs be
by Department rather than alphabetical order.
The City Manager responded that when Councilman Kelly brought
this up previously, staff said that with modification to
software we could do that but we do not have the capability
to do that without modifying the software. We are looking to
see if we can do it without modifying software with the new
computer. If we can, we will be happy to do it. If it takes
any kind of modification and an appropriation of funds, we
will come back with that.
Councilman Kelly asked that the Audit Committee look into this
matter because I think it a very simple sort, something that
doesn't need any additional software.
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The City Manager said that if the old system did require new
software, the Council voted not to appropriate funds for it.
If the new system provides for it, we will do it, if it
doesn't, we will come back to the Council.
3. 'AGENDIZE PLACING OF PHOTOGRAPHS OF ALL COMMITTEES OR
COMMISSIONS APPOINTED BY ORDINANCE ON THE WALLS OF CITY HALL
Councilman Prescott suggested that in order to increase the
visibility of various committees and commission that have been
appointed by Ordinance, that their photographs be placed on
the walls in City Hall. He requested this be agendized for
the next meeting.
4. DISPUTE OVER CONTENT OF MINUTES OF AUGUST 21ST
Councilman Prescott siad we had a very divisive debate and
argument tonight concerning what Councilmember Hoesterey said
about the Karcher family and the Marriott family. Since there
are only 4 members present and since we only had a 2-2 vote,
it died. In parliamentary procedure, if you don't have 3
votes in a 5 member body, it dies. Consequently I would like
to agendize this question for our next meeting so we can
definitively address what Councilmember Hoesterey said about
the Marriott family and Karcher family.
5. CONTINUATION OF THE WAIVER FOR SECONDARY TREATMENT FOR OUR
OCEAN OUTFALL
Councilman Edgar said that 2 weeks ago at the Sanitation
District meeting we had the, opportunity to ask for a very
significant item and Councilman Hoesterey who is the joint
chairman of the OC Sanitation District, made a presentation
to EPA and to the State Water Control Board, asking for a
continuation of the waiver for secondary treatment for our
ocean outfall. The significance of this request is that,
presuming that we are successful, we are going to save the
taxpayers of Orange County $1.4 billion dollars. I think it
is very significant that one of our own had the privilege and
did well in making that presentation and hopefully we will
be very successful.
6. PRAISE FOR TUSTIN TILLERS FOOTBALL TEAM
Councilman Kelly praised the Tustin Tillers Football team for
beating Foothill as well as the Matre De Monarchs and that was
a big accomplishment.
IV. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by Kelly, seconded by Hoesterev, to adjourn at
10:47 p.m. to the next regular meeting on October 2, 1989 at
7:00 p.m.
MAYOR
CITY CVERK
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