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Home My WebLink About04 PC REPORT 178 N. "C" ST.AG NDA R PORT ITEM #4 MEETING DATE: FEBRUARY 24, 2015 TO: PLANNING COMMISSION FROM: COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT SUBJECT: TUSTIN HISTORIC REGISTER NOMINATION — 178 NORTH C STREET RECOMMENDATION That the Planning Commission approve the nomination of 178 North C Street to the Tustin Historic Register Plaque Designation Program and select "Knapp House" as the most appropriate historical name and 1920" as the date of construction of the property. BACKGROUND AND DISCUSSION Owners of historic homes or commercial buildings in Tustin are eligible to participate in the City's plaque designation program, called the Tustin Historic Register. The purpose of the voluntary program is to recognize Tustin's historic properties, educate the public, increase public interest in historic properties, and promote community pride. The bronze plaques purchased through the program may be mounted on the building or set on metal stakes. Property owners who would like to participate are responsible for the cost, installation, and maintenance of the plaques. The plaques display the construction date of the building, up to two lines of text, and are identified with the words "Tustin Historic Register." A photograph of a Tustin Historic Register plaque is shown in Figure 1. Nomination forms are obtained from the Community Development Department. Anyone, including the Commission, may nominate properties. On December 8, 2014, the owners of the single family residence at 178 North C Street submitted a nomination form (Attachment A) to the Community Development Department. Pursuant to the procedures approved by the City Council on November 6, 2007, the nomination form was forwarded to the presidents of the Tustin Preservation Conservancy and Tustin Area Historical Society on December 17, 2014 (Attachment B). The two groups were requested to collaborate and /or review the nomination, research the history of the property, and to note the most appropriate historical name and date of construction. The Preservation Conservancy and Historical Society transmitted the attached emails (Attachment C) to the Community Development Department regarding the nomination. Planning Commission Report Tustin Historic Register — 178 North C Street February 24, 2015 Page 2 Figure 1 The California Bungalow located at 178 North C Street (see photograph in Figure 2 and Attachment D) was built in 1920 and has a C rating in the City's 1990 Historical Survey and a 5D1 rating in the City's 2003 Historical Resources Survey, which denotes a property that appears eligible as a contributor to a local historic district. The architectural style is mischaracterized as Colonial Revival - Craftsman in the Historical Resources Surveys. The home is better described as a Craftsman style California Bungalow. The architectural description of the residence has been noted and will be corrected when a future update to the Survey is conducted. According to historical records at the Tustin Museum, Ms. Erna E Knapp was listed as a resident of the home in 1931 and in 1952. Ms. Knapp was a music teacher. She passed in 1975 at the age of 96, and may have lived in the house up until that time. Figure 2 Planning Commission Report Tustin Historic Register — 178 North C Street February 24, 2015 Page 3 It is recommended that "Knapp House" be selected as the most appropriate historical name for the property. The date on the plaque should be "1920." If the plaque is approved by the Commission, staff will collect the appropriate payment, order the plaque from the manufacturer, and notify the property owner once the plaque has been delivered. Scott Reekstin Principal Planner JVElikbeth A. Binsack Community Development Director Attachment A — Nomination Form for 178 North C Street Attachment B — Letters dated December 17, 2014 Attachment C — Emails from Preservation Conservancy and Historical Society Attachment D — Photograph of 178 North C Street S: I CMPCREPORT20151 Tustin Historic Register 178 North C Street. doc ATTACHMENT A NOMINATION FORM FOR 178 NORTH "C" STREET TUSTIN Community Development Department • 300 Centennial Way • Tustin, CA 92780 Phone • 714.573.3140 RECEIVED w` Tustin Historic Register p _P Plaque Designation on Program DEC 0 8 2014 !Nomination Form COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT w BY: i�i'it!iY'tJ Thank you for nominating a property to the City's plaque designation program. The purpose of the plaque designation program is to recognize Tustin's historic properties, educate the public, increase public interest in historic properties, and promote community pride. All properties listed in the Tustin Historic Resources Survey are eligible for nomination to the program. Owners of properties that are selected by the City's Planning Commission for the program are not obligated to purchase and /or display the plaque. Participation is completely voluntary. The Planning Commission will consider the nomination in approximately six weeks. Nominated Historic Property Historic Property Address Historic Structure Name (if any) Property Owner (if known) VIVA Specify your reasons for the nomination (e.g. age of structure, ar4itectural details, place in Tustin's history, for- CA CA (s) were significant to Tustin's history, etc.) � a k �(n W Your Name � Q hck�l � Vj Your Residence or Business Addr s 17 q / Telephone Number ON) 111- E -mail Address.. �JU�IQerDIVVI A �M-o R9na t u eLer Office Use Only Ca se N o.'� -'""' Date Received Received By Listing in HistoricaY Survey Historic Designation L'1 Local State g ❑National ❑None Location ❑ Within District Outside District St (bW\�, Date ATTACHMENT B LETTERS DATED DECEMBER 17,2014 Community Development Department December 17, 2014 Tustin Area Historical Society Attn: Gretchen Whisler 395 El Camino Real Tustin, CA 92780 SUBJECT: HISTORIC REGISTER NOMINATION — 178 NORTH C STREET Dear Ms. Whisler: Tus IN L 1 r 1 r ry L BUILDING OUR FUTURE HONORING OUR PAST On December 8, 2014, the Community Development Department received the attached nomination to the Tustin Historic Register plaque designation program. Pursuant to the procedures approved by the City Council on November 6, 2007, this nomination is being forwarded to the presidents of the Preservation Conservancy and Historical Society. The Conservancy and the Society have thirty (30) days to collaborate and /or review the nomination, research the history of the property, and note the most appropriate historical property name and date of construction. The sources of information used to determine the name and date are to be noted. All of this information is then transmitted to the Community Development Department. If additional review time is necessary due to a lack of property information, the review period may be extended. The Planning Commission will then review the information and approve or deny the nomination. If you have any questions regarding the attached nomination or the program procedures, please contact me at (714) 573 -3016. Sincerely, Scott Reekstin Principal Planner Attachments: Tustin Historic Register Nomination Form —178 North C Street Tustin Historic Register Naming Criteria Tustin Historical Resources Survey Excerpt Photograph of 178 North C Street C It 2.c6(7/14) 57/3-31 l 3 + www. tt -[5ti ncamrg Community Development Department I r December 17, 2014 Tustin Preservation Conservancy Attn: Sharon Teter 145 Pacific Street Tustin, CA 92780 SUBJECT: HISTORIC REGISTER NOMINATION —178 NORTH A STREET Dear Ms. Teter: US IN BUILDING OUR FUTURE HONORING OUR PAST _ LW On December 8, 2014, the Community Development Department received the attached nomination to the Tustin Historic Register plaque designation program. Pursuant to the procedures approved by the City Council on November 6, 2007, this nomination is being forwarded to the presidents of the Preservation Conservancy and Historical Society. The Conservancy and the Society have thirty (30) days to collaborate and /or review the nomination, research the history of the property, and note the most appropriate historical property name and date of construction. The sources of information used to determine the name and date are to be noted. All of this information is then transmitted to the Community Development Department. If additional review time is necessary due to a lack of property information, the review period may be extended. The Planning Commission will then review the information and approve or deny the nomination. If you have any questions regarding the attached nomination or the program procedures, please contact me at (714) 573 -3016. Sincerely, Scott Reekstin Principal Planner Attachments: Tustin Historic Register Nomination Form --178 North C Street Tustin Historic Register Naming Criteria Tustin Historical Resources Survey Excerpt Photograph of 178 North C Street 3()0 :1 �� T�T1 gQ�Ol l�� i�q 1F iSt� �Re�lsterl�lo irk t o 71 8 11d4�t C Qlt.do : ( 7 14) 573--3113 WWWAL[stirlcamro r ATTACHMENT C EMAILS FROM PRESERVATION CONSERVANCY AND HISTORICAL SOCIETY Reekstin, Scott From: Sharon Teter <willandshar @att.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 7:57 AM To: Reekstin, Scott Subject: Re: Historic Register Nomination Hi Scott, Just a little fun information on Ms. Knapp - I called Bill's cousin whose grandpa was Jesse Roy Teter, who lived next door to the 178 N. C Street home. She confirmed that there were two sisters - last name Knapp - who lived next door. She wasn't sure if they were spinsters or widows but they lived next door to her grandpa for as long as she could remember. Her family lived several doors south on C Street and she went all through school, kindergarten to high school graduation, there. When she walked down to her grandparents, she remembers seeing both ladies, usually "peeking out the windows" at the kids on the street. Enjoy, Sharon On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 9 :57 AM, Sharon Teter <willandshar @att. net> wrote: Hi Scott, I found Erna E. Knapp in the 1931 directory listed at 178 N. C Street. It also said she was a music teacher so I looked through a number of yearbooks from Tustin High School but could not find her so perhaps she was a piano teacher in her home (which was not unusual in those days). Considering that she passed away in Tustin in 1975 at the age of 96, this would make her in her early 50's in the 1931 directory. I think we could safely say she lived at the C Street address for more than 40 years. Hope this helps, Sharon On Monday, February 2, 2015 4:11 PM, Sharon Teter <willandshar @att.net> wrote: I'll go into the museum tomorrow (Tuesday) and I'll get back to you after I check the old directories - shouldn't take me more than an hour. Sharon On Monday, February 2, 2015 2:40 PM, "Reekstin, Scott" <SReekstin @tustinca.org> wrote: Hi Sharon, Yes, any additional information, if it's not too cumbersome to obtain, would be very helpful. How much additional time do you think you will need to conduct the research? Scott SCOTT REEKSTIN I PRINCIPAL PLANNER City of Tustin I Community Development Department 300 Centennial Way I Tustin, CA 92780 P. 714 - 573 - 3016 1 F. 714 - 573 - 3113 http: / /WWW.tustinca.orq From: Sharon Teter [mailto:willandshar @att. net] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 11:57 AM To: Reekstin, Scott Subject: Re: Historic Register Nomination Hi Scott, I have some good information for you on 178 N. C Street: In the 1952 phone directory it lists the resident as Erna E. Knapp. Further information on her is that she died in Tustin in 1975 at age 96. can check at the museum if you want additional information as they have some real old directories, before the 1950's. We might be able to determine the length of time Ms. Knapp lived in the house. Thanks, Sharon On Thursday, January 29, 2015 6 :53 PM, Sharon Teter <willandsharC(D-att.net> wrote: Brent is no longer involved but I am in contact with him so I will check with him to see if he has anything that would be helpful. I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Sharon Sent from my Phone On Jan 29, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Reekstin, Scott <SReekstin(�tustinca.org> wrote: Sharon, Thank you again for the input. I was wondering if Brent Ferdig is still a member of the Conservancy and if he is) if you could find out from Brent if he still has any of the old 1950s phone directories, which I think provided names, phone numbers, and addresses of Tustin residents. The City has the name of the owner from the 1980's and if the names match, that might be a suitable name to use. Scott From: Sharon Teter [mailto:willandshar6c�att. net] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 8:07 AM To: Reekstin, Scott Subject: Re: Historic Register Nomination Hi Scott, At our TPC Board Meeting last evening, we discussed an appropriate historical name for the 178 North C Street home. Since there is no known name for the builder or an original owner or even a prominent family associated with the home, we would suggest the plaque say "California Bungalow ". 2 Thanks, Sharon On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8.47 AM, "Reekstin, Scott" <SReekstingtustinca.org> wrote: Thanks, Sharon. SCOTT REEKSTIN I PRINCIPAL PLANNER City of Tustin I Community Development Department 300 Centennial Way I Tustin, CA 92780 P. 714- 573 -3016 1 F.714- 573 -3113 http: / /www.tustinca.org From: Sharon Teter [mailto:willandsharCa-)-att. net] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:46 AM To: Reekstin, Scott Subject: Re: Historic Register Nomination Thanks, Scott for the updated information. We have a board meeting this week on Thursday evening and will discuss what we can give you as a recommendation for the appropriate historical name. I'll get back to you Friday morning. Sharon On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8.29 AM, "Reekstin, Scott" <SReekstinQtustinca.orq_> wrote. Sharon, I just realized my letter to the Conservancy has the address as 178 North A Street, which is not correct. The correct address, as noted in the owners' nomination form, is 178 North C Street. Please excuse my mistake. The house is incorrectly categorized in the newer Historic Survey. The house should be described as a California Bungalow. The construction date is 1920. 1 contacted the owners about the 1924 date, and they told me that they obtained the date from Google, which is not always reliable. look forward to receiving input from the Conservancy regarding the most appropriate historical name for the property. Scott SCOTT REEKSTIN I PRINCIPAL PLANNER City of Tustin I Community Development Department 300 Centennial Way I Tustin, CA 92780 P.714- 573 -3016 1 F.714- 573 -3113 http: / /www.tustinca.org From: Sharon Teter [mailto:willandsharQatt. net] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:04 AM To: Reekstin, Scott Subject: Historic Register Nomination Hi Scott, I have your letter regarding the nomination for a plaque at 178 North A Street - and I have a couple of questions. Although the applicant lists the house as a 1924 California Bungalow, the Resources Survey has 1920 as the construction date and designates the house as Colonial Revival - Craftsman. When this type of situation comes up, how do you determine the correct information? I expect the owners could have their information from the tax assessors records. The Preservation Conservancy is always pleased and supportive of homes having a plaque and find no objection to this application. The reason I'm asking the questions is that TPC is getting ready to recognize 100 year old homes in Old Town for 2015 and after sending out letters to 27 homeowners, have been contacted by several who say their homes were not constructed in 1915 but after 1920. They have stated that their information is from the tax assessors office. We, of course, will not be taking a sign for their front yards to them, but I need some clarification on which document we need to draw our information. Thanks so much, Sharon 4 Reekstin, Scott From: alcor3 @aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 2:07 PM To: Reekstin, Scott Cc: willandshar @att.net; tustinmuseum @att.net Subject: Re: Tustin Historic Register Nomination for 178 North C Street Scott. The Historical Society has no reason not to support Sharon Teter's recommendation and has full confidence in her research. 01 - - - -- Original Message---- - From: Reekstin, Scott <SReekstin(a tustinca.org> To: alcor3 <alcor3(a aol.com> Sent: Mon, Feb 9, 2015 1 :03 pm Subject: RE: Tustin Historic Register Nomination for 178 North C Street All Sharon Teter did some researc h and found a Ms. Erna Knapp listed In the 1931 and 1952 directories. She passed in 1975 at the age of 96 and may have lived in the house until that time. Does the Historical Society support the recommendation of "Knapp House" and the construction date of "1920:x" Scott From: alcor3@aol.com rmailto:a1cor3 @aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:56 AM To: Reekstin, Scott Subject: Re: Tustin Historic Register Nomination for 178 North C Street Scott, OK. Let me dig into it more deeply and get back to you, probably next week. Al - - - -- Original Message---- - From: Reekstin, Scott <SReekstin(a7tustinca.orq> To: alcor3 <a1cor3 _aol.com> Cc: gwhis001 <gwhis001(c aol.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 21, 2015 8 :46 am Subject: RE: Tustin Historic Register Nomination for 178 North C Street Hi Al) Does the Historical Society have any old phone directories that would provide the name(s) of past residents of the property? Please feel free to contact me at your convenience to discuss the Historical Society's role in the Historic Register Program. Scott SCOTT REEKSTIN [ PRINCIPAL PLANNER City of Tustin I Community Development Department 300 Centennial Way I Tustin, CA 92780 P. 714 - 573 -3016 1 F. 714 - 573 -3113 http-//www.tustinca.org From: alcor gaol.com [mailto:alcor3paol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8 :29 AM To: Reekstin, Scott Cc: gwhis001 (aLaol.com Subject: Re: Tustin Historic Register Nomination for 178 North C Street Scott, have checked with several people at the Historical Society and they indicate that we have no additional information regarding the 178 North C Street property. In fact, it is my understanding that the Preservation Conservancy would have more information regarding historical property names and dates of construction than we would. At some point, for my own edification, I'd like to discuss the Historical Society's role in the Historic Register Nomination Program with you. nl - - - -- Original Message---- - From: Reekstin, Scott <SReekstinCu�,tustinca.org> To: alcor3 <a1cor36a aol.com >; gwhis001 <gwhis0012aol.com> Sent: Tue, Jan 20, 2015 9 :03 am Subject: Tustin Historic Register Nomination for 178 North C Street Al and Gretchen, am just following up on the historic register nomination for 178 North C Street to see if the Historical Society will be providing input to the City regarding the most appropriate historical property name and date of construction. I understand there may limited historical information available regarding this property, so if you need additional time, please let me know. Scott SCOTT REEKSTIN I PRINCIPAL PLANNER City of Tustin I Community Development Department 300 Centennial Way I Tustin, CA 92780 P. 714- 573 -3016 1 F. 714 - 573 -3113 http: / /www.tustinca.orq ATTACHMENT D PHOTOGRAPH OF 178 NORTH "C" STREET W W ix F• U �, z 00 r-I