HomeMy WebLinkAboutCC MINUTES 1969 10 20 MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING
TUSTIN CITY COUNCIL
October 20, 1969
CALL TO Meeting calledto order at 7:30 P.M. by Mayor Coco.
ORDER
II.
PLEDGE OF Led by Mayor Coco.
ALLEGIANCE
III.
INVOCATION Given by Mayor Pro Tem Mack.
IV.
ROLL Present: Councilmen Coco, Mack, C. Miller, Marsters,
CALL L. Miller.
Absent: Councilmen: None
Others Present: Assistant Administrator Dan Blankenship
City Attorney James Rourke
City Clerk Ruth Poe
Planning Director James Supinger
V.
APPROVAL OF Moved by L. Mill'er, seconded by Mack that the minutes
MINUTES ~f"t~e Oc'tob'er '6', 19'69 Council meeting be approved.
Carried.
VI.
PUBLIC 1. P'Z-69-119 - He'ster Trust o~ behal'f' of Harriet O.
HEARINGS End'erie - Continued from 10/6/69.
Application of Hester Trust on behalf of Harriet O.
Enderle for prezoning and rezoning of a parcel of
approximately 22 acres.
a. PC-C-2 (Planned Community - Central Commercial)
on the northerly approximately il acres fronting
564 ft. on the south side of 17th Street and
880 ft. onthe east side of Yorba-Stree~ (existing
commercialsdevelopment is not a part of the
application).
b. PC-R-3 (1750) (Planned Community - Multiple
Family Residential - 1750 sq. ft. of lot area
per dwelling unit) District on the southerly
approximately 11 acres fronting 620 ft. on the
east side of Yorba Street.
Site is located at the southeast corner of .the intersection
of 17th Street and Yorba Street.
Mayor Coco explained the location and size of the
~evelopment and that the matter had been continued
from the October 6th meeting in order to give the
applicant time to come up with additional informatio~
for the Council and for the Enderle Gardens Association.
Mayor Coco asked if there was a spokesman present from
Enderle Gardens.
Mr. James Matthias~ 14341 Wysteria Lane stated tha~ their
association had no~ had the opportunity to see the plans
submitted until tonight and he felt that it is owed no
their group to go Dack ~o them with the plans. They are
willing to work wi~h the developer and architect and
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would call the Home Owners Associa'tion together.
stated that he is opposing this tonight pending tmme
to see the plans and work things out.
Mr. Sol Shapiro, !42~22 Mimosa Lane stated that he
lives alongside of the proposed drive. He had spent a
considerable amount for his home and had bought in a
quiet adult development. The drive and parking behind
his home with the warming up of motors would create
a difficult situation. He did not believe that nhe
current proposal was in line with the original informa-
tion and plans told to the home owners.
General Ralph' Yeanan, 14242 Acacia Drive called the
General Plan to the attention of ~he Council and the
amount of units per acre in each land use category.
Even if this development went to medium high density
for 150' that would be 8~ per acre. Present plans
only have 70' between the fences and 2 story plus road-
way. (Mr. Supinger stated that medium high density is
6½ units per acre.)
Mr. James G. Gianulias, 2840 Monterey Avenue, Costa
Mesa speaking for Hester Trust Company stated ~hat
they had never proposed 8 to 10 units per acre. He
stated that keeping of the green area is essential and
with three culverts, etc. they can keep ~raffic on the
perimeter at a minimum and certainly no more than at
present in Enderle Gardens. Mr. Gianulias stated that
property directly south of Enderle Gardens is zoned
E-4. When Enderle Gardens was coming in at R-1 there
was considerable concern, and he felt that this develop-
ment proposed now would be as good a neighbor to
Enderle Gardens as they are to the E-4. This will be
an adult community. The type of apartment tenant is
changing as is the apartments. The quality will be
second to none and they are striving for a density of
20 to 24 units per acre and are including some
subterranean parking, gym, club house, pool area, and
area for jogging.
Mr. Ed Lohrbach, architect showed slides of their
presen~ developments in the Palo Alto area which are
a prototype of those proposed for this project. They
are applying for the zonmng with the confidence that
they will do a nice job. They are not attempting to
g~ve precise plans.
Mr. Gianulias stated that they now have two tenants
for the commercial development which has a market value
of 6 million dollars and will bring $120,000 to the
City exclusive of property tax. The location for
commercial couldn't be better. The architecture is
of warm, contemporary, Spanish design similar to
the University Park center.
Mayor Coco spoke of an alternative proposal received
since the continuation of this matter regarding an
adjacent proposed development for a subdued commercial
development containing a bank and a specialty market.
The writer suggests that a.coordinated complex be
considered along with this application. Mayor Coco
read the following excerpts from the letter: "The
intent of this letter is not to circumvent or diminish
any proposed development fe~ this ~rea. However, it
is O~ fee~i~ %ha~ one overal~ planned Zoning would
~ mo~e desiEaBle and would lend itself to more efficient
master planning and more effective traffic circulation
pattern. If the area mn question is subject to a
conforming general area plan we would certainly have
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no obj , proper circumstances, to
annexing this development to the City.of Tustin.
We are extremely pleased with the attitude of the
Tustin City Council in its. planning programs.~and
certainly would be proud to be part of the City of
Tustin."
Councilman L. Miller stated that in their slides the
applicants have architecturally demonstrated their
ability to do a quality project. The spokesman for
Enderle Gardens indicated tha~ tonight was their
first view of the plans, and as it is also the first
time the Council has seen them Mr. L. Miller stated that
the Council could look at it in the same light as
at the last meeting.
Moved by L. Miller that PZ 69-119 be deferred until
~ more finalized approach be presented to Council
and in the interim the developer meet with the.group
from Enderle Gardens to secure an agreement of all
parties.
~ayor Coco stated that the application is for a prezone
of given density and we have had:a color slide presenta-
tion which indicates the caliber. Mayor Coco suggested
that any recommendation that comes from the Enderle
Gardens is just a recommendation.
Councilman L. Miller withdrew his motion and asked
~hat it be considered a point of commen~.
Mayor Coco stated that relative to the letter of request
for an area study by the adjacent property owners, the
staff is interested in a Council interpretation and
general policy to be pursued as they can take no action
on their own they need the feeling of the Council as
to whether or not, such a proposal is to be pursued.
'Councilman C. Mil~er stated he would be interested in
bUrsuing the propQsal and perhaps it would wind up with
something better for everyone. The people of Enderle
Gardens seem more concerned with radical change from
the General Plan. Mr. Miller felt that the City
owed the people in the area more consideration than
perhaps this density would give them. if the Council
should go along with the proposal from Mr. French, the
City could take a look at the General Plan and work
out something so the people in the area Would have more
say and arrive at something people can depend on.
Councilman Marsters stated that he was shocked to see
this application getting as much reception as it has
and that the Council owes iE to the people to retain
a rural atmosphere. When they purchased their property,
they knew that the general feelings of the previous
Councils were to hold to the residential character.
Mr. Marsters commented on the staff report of October 13,
1969, which disclosed there is some 1700 multiple that
could be developed in Tustin, and that the City should
develop what it now has on the books. If the Council
does consider this application based on this commercial
there will be a 10t of pressure to develop commercial
on 17th Street t'o Newport Avenue.
Councilman Mack stated that it seems clear that most
people are not objecting to this project per se. It
seems as though t~e Council is always a reactionary group
rather than an action group, which is unfair ~o the
Council and the people. The proponents of any group
for a zone change~or use of land spend months preparing
for presentation to the Council or Planning Conuuiss~on,
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Mr. Mack said he was not condeming anyone, but feels
that applicants must look at 'the City's side. The
Council has to make a judgement in a few momenus
on something it took developers months ~o prepare'.
As in this case, where it entails a substantial change
of character the City does deserve the right to take
a long, hard look an what is proposed, and it should
be resolved right if it takes 30 or 60 days.
Councilman C. Miller stated that what Mr. Mack has
said serves to emphasize the main issue. This is a
of amendment to the General Plan, and the Council
should look at it that way first and to the particular
development second.
Moved by Mack, seconded by L. Miller that this matter
be deferred for a matter o~ no less than 60 days pending
further studies. A coordinated study of County
~ity consideration of the area of Prospect, 17th and
Yorba.
Councilman Mack stated that the reason for his motion
is that the Council had asked the applicant to come
up with specific plans for this meeting and this has
not been done.
Mayor Coco stated that he is impressed by the possibilit5
that the City may get the opportunity to study an
overall coordinated plan of some 40 acres vs. some 22 act
and it is incumbenn upon those concerned to take this
opportunity.
Above motion to continue ~thi's ~a'~ter car'rie~
~nanimously.
2. APPEAL - UP 69-308 - PBR COMPANY ON BEHALF OF ZORRO
INVESTMENT CO.
Appeal of the decision of the Planning Commission denying
application of PBR Company on behalf of Zorro investment
· Company for a use permit to permit the installation of
five (5) szgns to identify a proposed service station
at the northeast corner of the intersection of Irvine
Boulevard (Fourth St.) and the Newport Free~ay. Proposed
signs are:
1. A free-standing ~ign for surface traffic with
a height of 20 ft., area of 63 sq. ft. per side,
total area 126 sq. ft. and located in the require
front setback.
2. A free-sta~ding!s~gn for freeway traffic with
a height of 35 ft., area of 308 sq. ft.' per side,
total'area of 616 sq. ft., and located in the
required front setback.
3. A Mobil "PegaSus'1 wall sign with an area of 13
sq. ft.
4.A "Mobil Service" wall sign with an area of
sq. ft.
5. A price panel sign to be located on a pole sign
with an area of 15 sq. ft. per side, total area
of 30 sq. Yt. and a minim~n height above grade
of 8 ft.
Total sign area requested on the site is 800 sq. ft.
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Mr. Sup.j. ng~!r~g~i~?iocation and stated that the
approved development is a service station and the
~,~, Planning Commission had recently considered an application
=Ir~.~ for signs at this location. The Planning Commission
approved a freeway identification sign with a height
of 35' and a total area of 304 sq. ft., another sign
12 ft. high with'atotal area of 26 sq. ft., the
sign being a Pegasus logo, a wall sign to say "Mobil
Service" on the south wall of the station with a total
area of 15 sq.~ft. The Commission also approved a
price panel sign with a maximum area of 30 sq. ft.,
and a height of 5'6" with no specific location on the
property. Total area of signs approved by the Commission
- 375 sq. ft.
Mayor Coco explained that this appeal is only on the
action of the Plannmng Commission relative to the
free-standing sign for local identification along
Irvine Boulevard. The applicant has agreed to conditions
set forth by the Commission on other three sig~s.
Mr'. Rourke, City Attorney, stated that when an action
on an application submitted to the Planning Commission
is appealedto the Council, the Council is not limited
in any way to the action they can take on any action
of the Commission.
Hearing opened at 8:28 P.M.
Mr. 'Don Yoder, partner in Zorro Investment, 17411
krvine Boulevard, Tustin stated that they are only
appealing the requirement that they put a pegasus logo
sign on Irvine. In no way will anyone driving down
irvine Boulevard be able to know what kind of a service
station this is. ,The Committee appointed by the
Planning Commission to mnvestigate the site, agreed
that a 4'x8' sign~ 20 ft. high, saying Mobil was
satisfactory. All agreed at that time.
Mr. Cornelius Sexton, owner of E1 Cortel office building
at 17501 trvine Boulevard presented a petition from
owners and tenants on Irvine Boulevard from Yorba to his
building requesting ,that the Council uphold the decision
of the Planning Commission. Mr. Sexton also stated
he saw no smgns of the office buildings which are
supposed to hide this station being erected and requested
that certificate of occupancy for the station be withheld
until such timeas property owners show definite signs
of completing the development as promised.
Fir. Dan Worthington, 17342 Vinewood, Tustin stated that
the Council is being asked to approve signs that are
not in the best effort of Mobil Oil. Mr. Worthington
showed slides of Service stations in the area which he
stated are of equal amount of sign space or less, and
slides of acceptable signing such as that shown in
slides of the station at Sands Canyon and the Santa Ann
Freeway. Mr. Worthington asked that the Council approve
the conditions of the Planning Commission.
Mr. Bob Hall, 17552Irvine Boulevard asked that the
~uncil consider ~hat has gone before in making this
an unusual street and to uphold the Planning Comm~ission
recommendation. A4'xS' pole sign in the planter area
would be over powering. If Mobil does not wann the
pegasus sign as recommended then keep to size, etc.
of the low Enco sign at the Sands Canyon station.
Mr. Hall presented~ pictures of other servzce station
signing aAd statedithat if not a pegasus sign he would
suggest a planter ~ign about 2' high, 6' wide and
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2' or 3' off the ground. That, with the freeway sign,
would adequately identify the station.
Mr. Ged.rge Argyros, 17411 Irvine sta'ted that there have
been no curbs and gutters installed so far, but that
plans fo~ Phase I have been approved by the Building
Department, and they hope to begin construction in
a few weeks. The station will be shielded from the
area by a two story office building. Mr. Argyros showed
slides of the property line and need for identification
due to the office buildings and the hampered view on
Irvine from the north due to the rise of the freeway
overpass. He stated that Irvine Boulevard ultimately
will be a 100' highway and this 2 million dollar
development will need identification. The Zorro
Company feels that the Architectural Committee
recommendation was proper and in keeping with the
Original proposal. As to the pegasus recommended by
the Planning Commission, some people do not realize
that that is a Mobil identification. The pegasus takes
away all identification which could be obtained by a
decent, small name sign. The slgn Mobil would like
to have would be about the height of the canopy. The
size would be 4'x8'. It was felt by the Architectural
Committee that the lower the sign the more visible it
is tc the eye. At the height of the canopy, you would not
see it unless looking for it. Mr. Argyros said that
Mobil has been very cooperative in working with them
architecturally on this building, and it will be
primarily built of block, with rich beams and will
be very attractive, and they are trying to achieve the
type of esthetics that are identified with the community.
Mr. Don Yoder stated that sign on Irvine will be the
only sign on Irvine Boulevard that will say Mobil. '
As other buildings have their names on the front so
Mobil needs their name, which the pegasus does not
have. The lettering on sign of Plaza Yorba building
is 3'xll', and is on the building twice. The applied
for sign will be much smaller.
Mr. Bob Hall stated there is a big difference between
a letter sign on a building and a plastic-lit sign.
It has been stated all alongI"that this station was
gomng to be something better than most and now are
requestmng signs even larger than those on existing
stations in town.
There being no further comments or objections, the
hearing was declared closed'at 9:05 P.M.
In answer to questionmng by Mayor Coco, Mr. Peter
~bundis, District Engineer for Mobil Oil Company,
stated that when he stated to the Planning Commission
that they would wrap the sign column with veneering
similar to the building he had mentioned the brick,
however afte~ looking at the.architectural dra~ings
h~ had gone to timber, but certainly could be brick.
It will simulate the architectural design of the
building.
In answer to Councilman L. Miller, Mr. Hall indicated
he would not object to the Mobil identification sign
if in the p'lanter.
Mr. Argyros stated that this situation is unlike the
Enco sign at Sands Canyon, which has no surface traffic.
The problem of a low sign a~ this location is that
it sets back about 200 ft. from Yorba Street and will
be hidden by the office building landscaping or from
eastbound it will be hidden by the raised freeway bridge.
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Abund
Mr.' ms ~s'~te'~ Mf?'Argyros is correct and a
20' sign would be visible over both the landscaping
and the freeway rise.
Mr. Supinger stated that it was the intent of the
Development Preview Committee to minimize the height
of the landscaping on Irvine frontage since the
common driveway between the professional office
building and the service station will be a two way
drive used for both. There will be a break in the
--- center island at that point so it will be necessary
to hold down the height of landscaping so as not to
reduce site distances for people exiting from the
property.
Mr. Abundis said it was not their intention to place
~he price sign on this same pole. Any sign too low
Would be a hazard to any motorist. Price signs will
be in the planter area no less than 9' off the ground
as requested by the Planning Commission.
'Mayor Coco said he would like this clarified and see
a sketch. The Planning Commission allowed a free-standing
pegasus logo nottO exceed 12' and a price szgn. This
makes one wonder where the price sign would be built.
Condition No. 3 (Wall sign) was granted by the Commission
on the condition that the pegasus sign be approved.
If Mobil sign granted out front, then it would appear
that the Mobil Service sign would be superfluous.
Councilman Marsters stated that he did not see a
low sign in this area as a serious problem. If lit,
the problem could be the intensity of the light.
This is a fine entrance to the City, and it is incmmbent
--- on the Council to hold the signing down. He stated
he was not against Mobil' having identification, but
the Enco sign shown seems to be of proper size and
height and sufficient signing.
Mr. Supinger stated that the Sign Ordinance specifies
the lighting intensity, but is very liberal.
Councilman Marsters felt that the price sign should
be out of the planter, and that approval be subject
tothe limiting of light intensity.
Councilman C. Miller pres'ented slides of signs on
service stations in various sections of the country
including Los Altos, Washington, D.C., Chicago, etc.
Mr. Miller stated that perhaps the Commission had
been over-generous. As to a low sign not being seen -
when coming down a street you are not on the sidewalk
but have a better angle and view from the street.
Councilman Mack stated that all the slides viawed
have been eye opening. The City must consider that
all situations are different. In weighing decisions
the Council must remember that this is individual.
._ It is not-on a corner, nor in the middle of a block
and that whatever decision is made will be there for
years to come. Business has to be successful or it
is not going to be a good sight whether it is a beautiful
structure or not. Mr. Mack stated that-he is convinced
that this needs freeway and highway identification.
They have hidden t~e station from the westerly traffic
and the Council should work as close to the request
as possible.
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Councilman L. Miller suggested that as the Council
aid not know exactly how or where the stantions
for the various signs will be located that they
consider deferal to work something out with all
parties concerned.
Mr. Argyros stated that perhaps things could be
resolved in a 5 minute recess for him to talk to
Mobil Oil.
Mayor Coco referred to Mr. Mack's comment that any
business must be successful~ This use was originally
approved.on the condition that this use would be
the best possible use for this property, and t~ere
was no question of its being a success. This is
considered an outstanding location for a service
station. The granting of the use is in itself a
favor so the City can expect the best possible
development, not only architecturally and land-
scaping, but signs, etc. It has been expressed
that the Council has little objection to the
applicant's request for identification on irvine,
but the height, square footage, placing of price
panel an~ the lighting is a question. If the
applicant can come up in a 10 minute stretch with
a pencil sketch showing a compromise the Council
would be happy to listen.
Ten minute recess declared.
Meeting reconvened at 9:50 P.M.
Mr. G. Argyros stated that when the Planning Commisslon
and Council passed this as a rear entrance station,
it had to be pushed forward to allow cars to enter
from the rear. This necessitated a planter of
only 5 ft. causing problems lowering any sign into
the planter area. They now propose a sign with a
desirable, mmnimum overall height of 16 ft. with
a 12' clearance. The sign will project into the
drive area requiring the 12' safety clearance with a
price panel to be attached to wood part of the sign
with some ornamental iron work. Mr. Argyros showed
a sketch of this proposal and said that the illumination
cannot be determined at this time and could perhaps
be lef~ to the Development Preview Committee. Proposed
sign is 4'x8' or 32 sq. ft.
Moved by C. Miller, seconded by Marsters (for discussion)
that local identification sign on Irvine be a planter
sign 4' high with a maximum area each side of 16 sq. ft.
Brightness to be determined by the Developmenz Preview
Committee by sight tests and the design to be approved
by the Development Preview Committee, and the wall
sign on building ~o be deleted.
Councilman Marsters noted.that upon flaggmng it was
said that a 21' freeway sign was adequate, but that
a 35' sign had been granted. --
Mr. Supinger stated that flagging indicated that
there was virtually no identification from north
bound unless in excess of 35'. For south bound
a sign 21' high could be seen as well as the 35'
The Architectural Committee recommended going with
the 35' sign.
Councilman L. Miller noted that it had been said
that the pegasus is"strictly single faced and
that 4'x8' is the smallest identification sign made.
If restricted to a smaller s~gn it ~ould be asking
for a custom sign.
Councilman '~C]~ ~aid'th~t there had been no
mention of the price panel. This indicates going
along with approval of the Planning Commissmon for
an additional price panel sign and if so are adding
to the sign clutter.
Councilman C. Miller said he was willing to go along
with a free-standing price panel located out close to
the corner.
After further discuSsion relative to more time for
study and possibility of a workshop, Councilm~n C. Miller
and Marsters Withdrew their motion and second. The
consensus of the Council was that all signing except
the freeway identification sign should be taken under
study.
Moved by Marsters that UP 69-308 be deferred to the
next regular meeting ,for workshop and determination
of all signs on the site. Motion died for lack of
second.
Moved by L. Miller~ seconded by Mack that UP 69-308
be deferr'ed with the exception that the free-standing
freeway identification sign, as approved by the Plan~ing
Commission, be permitted. Motion carrzed, Councilman
Marsters voting no.
Mayor Coco set 7:30 P.M., Thursday, October 23, i969
as time for a workshop on this matter. Site of
workshop to be determined and property owner and
applicants tobe notified.
VII.
OLD 1. ORDINANCE NO. 447
BUSINESS
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TUSTIN, CALIFORNIA,
AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 371 RELATIVE TO SPECIAL
SPEED ZONES. (Changing speed limit on Williams
Street from Main Street to McFadden Street to
35 MPH).
Moved by Mack, seconded by Marsters that Ordinanze
No. 447 have 'pe'cond reading by title only. Carried
unanimously.
Moved by Mack, seconded by L. Miller that Ordinance
No. 447, amendin~ Ordinance No. 371 relative to special
~peed zones, be passed and adopted. Carried by roll
call. Ayes: Coco, Mack, C. Miller, Marsters, L. Miller.
Noes: None. Absent: None.
2. APPOINTMENT OF A COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE TO THE
JOINT POWERS COMPUTER PLANNING AUTHORITY.
This appointment ~eferred to a later date.
3.LANDSCAPING OF FIRE LANES IN TUSTIN MEADOWS
Continued fr6~ 10/6/69.
Moved by C. Miller, seconded by Mack that the b~ayor
and ,City Clerk execute the two agreemenns proposed
and that the City Administrator be authorized to issue
a warrant in the sum of $3,922.50 to the Grant Company
after completion pf the work. Motion carried. L. Mill2r
abstained.
VIII. ~
NEW 1. ORDINANCE NO. 448
BUSINESS
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TUSTIN, CALIFORNIA,
AMENDING TIlE REAL PROPERTY TRANSFER TAX ORDINANCE
OF THE CITY OF TUSTIN.
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Moved by C. Miller, seconded by Marsters tha'c
'Ordinance No'. 448, amending the Real Property
Transfer Tax Ordinance of the City of Tustin,
have first reading by title only. Carried
unanimously.
2. ORDINANCE NO. 449
AN ORDINANCE OF TttE CITY OF TUSTIN, CALIFORNIA,
AMENDING THE TRAFFIC ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
TUSTIN RELATIVE TO PEDESTRIANS.
Moved by Marsters, seconded by L. Miller that
Draft 1 of Ordinance No. '449, amending ~he Traffic
Ordinance of the City o'f Tustin relative to pedestrians,
have first reading by title only. Carried unanimously-
RESOLUTION NO. 1025
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY
OF TUSTIN, CALIFORNIA, AMENDING AND REVISING
PROVISIONS OF THE 1969-70 CITY BUDGET RELATIVE
TO COMPENSATIONS, SALARIES, AND REIMBURSEMENT
OF EXPENSES.
MoVed by L. Miller, seconded by Mack that Resolution
No. 1'025 be' read by title only. Ca'tried unanimously-
Moved by Marsters, seconded by L. Miller that
Resolution No.'1025, amending and revising provisions
of the 1969j70 budget relative to compensations,
salaries and reimbursement of expenses, be passed.
and adopted. Carried by roll ca .... Ayes: Coco,
Mack, C. Miller, Marsters, L. Miller. Noes: None.
Absent: None.
4. RESOLUTION NO. 1026
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
TUSTIN COMMENDING GERALD C. MACK FOR SERVICE TO
THE CITY OF TUSTIN.
Moved by Marsters, seconded by L. Miller that
· Resoluti'on No. '1026 be read in its entiYety. Carried.
Moved by L. Miller, seconded by C. Miller that
Resolution No. 1026, commending Gerald C. Mack be
passed and adopted. Carried by roll call. Ayes:
Coco, C. Miller, ~arster~, 'L. Miller. Noes: None.
Abstained: Mack.
Mr. Frank Greinke read and presented a Resolution of
the Chamber of Commerce to Gerald C. Mack and announced
the Chamber buffet and testimonial to Mr. Mack to be
held November 29, at 7:30 P.M. in the Altadena Savmngs
and Loan building.
Councilman Mack thanked all concerned and said he
hoped the City and the Chamber would contmnue to work --
with the people and continue to make Tustin a better
place to work, p.lay and live.
5. APPROVAL OF IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENTS FOR RED HILL
STORM DRAIN (Southwest corner of Red Hill and
Walnut).
Moved b~ Mack, seconded by C. Miller that the Mayor
and City Clerk be authorized to execute Improvement
A~ ~ ~ ~itl 8~Drm Drain botwee~ the City
and Alpha Beta Acm~ Markets, ~n~.
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6. CONSIDERATION OF ACQUISITION OF SCHOOL DISTRICT
LAND FOR PARK AND RECREATION PURPOSES. (Located
between "B" and "C" Streets south of First St.)
Moved by L. Miller, seconded by Mack that the City
Administrator formally express to the Tustin Elementary
School District the City's'interest in the lease or
purchase ofthe District's excess property et~eF
"B" St. and "C" St. south of First St., and enter
into nego.tiations to develop a firm proposal. Carried.
7. FINAL MAP- TRACT NO. 6617 - TUSTIN SAVINGS & LOAN
Tract located between First Street and Irvine
Boulevard easterly of Centennial Way.
Moved by C. Miller, seconded by Mack that the Final
Map o'f 'Tract No. 66'17 be approved and the Mayor and
City Clerk authorized toexecute the necessary documents.
Carried.
8. AWARD OF CONTRACT - TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND HIGHWAY
LIGHTING' AT"M'CFADDEN STREET AND PASADENA AVENUE.
Moved by L. Miller, seconded by Mack that contract
~or signals and highway lighting at McFadden Street
and Pasadena Avenue utilizing Alternate "A" with
solid-state controller be awarded to Steiny and
Mitchel, Inc., low bidders in the amount of $13,278.00
and that $5,000 be transferred from the unappropriated
gas tax funds to account No. 010-551-962-01 for this
project. Carried.
9. APPROVAL OF DEMANDS
Moved by Marsters, seconded by C. Miller that demands
~n the amount of $102~030.52 be approved and pa"~.
Carried.
IX.
OTHER 1. Non-conforming Structure at 14192 Newport Avenue.
BUSINESS
Mr. Blankenship explained that a variance for use
of this property as a commercial development had
been denied by the Planning Commission, and the
applicants, World Handicrafts, Inc. have filed an
appeal to be heard before the Council November 3,
1969. Mr. Blankenship stated that the company
has submitted a letter to the Council at this
time explaining the time problem due to the
lateness of the season and the fact that they do
want to be in before the holidays. The letter
asks for a temporary use permit pending determination
of the appeal.
In answer toquestioning by Mayor Coco, Mr. Rourke
stated that this is a matter of interpretation of
the temporary use section of the Ordinance and
that this could possibly qualify. The section
is somewhat ambiguous and whether the Council wou'td
.want to give any direction to the staff at this
time as to whether it would feel that this is a
permissable ~emporary use or not would be the
most that the Council could do on this situation.
As to prejudlcing the appeal Mr. Rourke stated
that this would be for the Council to determine.
The Council could indicate to the City Administrator:s
office that ~he staff could exercise their dmscretion-
Mayor Coco pointed out that the granting of
a temporary use permit or action of the administrative
staff to grant such a use in no way obligates.the
City to act favorably upon the appeal.
Mr. Randall Robertson, partner, stated that they
do have an appeal pending and that they believe
the problems can be resolved on this proper~y,
but that he did not believe it could be resolved
at one Council meeting. There are many different
side issues, and it is going to take time and __
extensive investigation to determine the best
solution. He felt that he could overcome the
problems in this parking even if it means removing
part of the structure, which has been discussed.
This temporary use is requested as they are now
moving into their prime season.
In answer to Mayor Coco, Mr. Robertson said he
expected to come fully prepared at the November 3
meeting~ but did not expect a Council decision
at that time as there are many ways to go on this.
Mr. Robertson said that there is a tremendous out-
lay of money on the property to prepare it, and
if not open for the prime season, they would lose
money which could be used for this development. Slides
and plans were presented to the Planning Commission,
but he had been advised that it was not necessary
for him to appear at the Development Preview
Committee meeting.
In answer to Councilman C. Miller, Mr. B!ankenship
said that the applicant has said they are willing
to dedicate and improve the 20' right-of-way
on Newport Avenue if the variance is granted. --
Mayor Coco wanted it made clear that any action
here tonight does not obligate the City in any
way.
Mayor Coco asked if anyone on the Council would
have any objection to granting a temporary use
permit until the appeal canlbe heard November 3rd.
'Councilman L.' Miller stated he would have
objections unless the applicant agrees to abide
by the recommendations of the Fire Department that
the dry vegation around the building be removed.
and a 10 lb. ABC fire extinquishe~'be installed
immediately.
Councilman C. Miller stated he was in favor of
working with the peopleto see if something can be
done. --He would like to see some of the older
buildings used, and they could!be atnractive and
retain some of the charm of the City. In not
working with people, it 'could be a disservice
to the applicants and th~ City. Mr. Miller said
he was in accord with the recommendations of the
staff, but if the variance itself is granted the
time limit to make safe and put in improvements
should not be more than a year's time.
There being no objections Mayor Coco authorized
the staff to grant a temporary use permit to
extend to November 3, 1969, to World Handicrafts
contingent on compliance with the Fir~ Department's
recommendations.
Council Minutes /~
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2. Parcels Proposed for Weed and Litter Action
.~r. Blankenship_informed the'Council that the
submitted list was of properties inspected by
the Public Works Department and letters will be
going out to the property owners.
The Council asked that the property at Bryan
and Newport be added to the list.
--- 3. Removal Of Eucalyptus Trees on Moulton Way
'~Navy Way)
Mr. Blankenship reported that in order to construct
a new force main Boyle Engineering Co., on behalf
ofCounty Santitation District No. 7 had been
granted permissionto remove 26 Eucalyptus trees
within the City street right-of-way. These trees
are in poor Condition and would ultimately be
removed for the street widening.
4. Resolution No.1027
A Resolution of the City Council of the City of
Tustin, California, authorizing the Attorney General
of the State of California to represent the City
in civil antitrust suit.
Moved by Mack, seconded by L. Miller that
'Resolution No."1027 be read by title o'nly.
Carried unanimously.
Moved by Mack, seconded by Marsters that
Resolution No. 1'027, authorizing the Attorney
--- General of the State of California to represent
the City in civil antitrust suit, be passed and
adopted. Carried.
5. Usable Older Buildings
CounCilman Mack stated that there is a great need
for an interim policy relative to older buildings
in town. There are quite a few in the older
section of town that could be used for some purpose,
but theoretically, according to some ordinances
they are not usable because of parking, etc. It
could be an extreme h~rdship for someone to have
adequate funds to tear these down and start over.
There should'be an interim policy whereby some
use is allowed, with improvements, for a certain
amount of time. These places could be cleaned up
so they are not an eye sore and can produce an
income and by the end of the interim period, they
would.be expectedto comply with the Ordinances.
Councilman C. Miller agreed wholeheartedly with
this and said he would. like to encourage people
to restore rather than tear down.
Hayor Coco said 'that. the City Administrator had
requested a workshop and this is one of the prime
items on the agenda.
Mayor Coco setiThursday, November 6 for a Council/
Manager workshO~ to be held at 7:30 P.~. in the
office of the Police Chief.
Count j. 1 Minutes
6. First Street Capital Improvements
Mr. George Argyros asked if anything ms being
done regardin~ capital improvements on Firs~
Street, especially between Yorba and E1 Camano
Real. He felt the best approach would be to
widen the street to its ultimate width and put
in dividers. If possible, the widening should
be done from one side. Many property owners
have dedicated the necessary right-of-way. He
suggested that the City anitiate this by putting
in the street improvements at City expense an
return for the dedication.
Mr. Bob Hall stated that the Chamber of Commerce
Streets and Highway Committee is studying all
streets and recommendations for improvements
are in the process of being formulated. The
committee believes ~hat most property owners would
give the right-of-way if the City would construct
the improvements. The owners recognize that a
fully improved street gives value to their property.
Mr. Hall said he understood there could be money
available in the gas tax fund and if the City
did not have tobuy the right-of-way, they could
afford the improvements. The committee had talked
to some of the owners who had expressed their
accord with this approach.
Mr. Argyros stated that if the City considered
this approach, it should be done all at one tame
before any increase in land prices. He believed
that the Citywould get excellent support from
the property owners if the City was willing to
spend the money. The owners wou~d give the
land in exchange for off-site improvements and
there would possibly be very little acquisition
costs.
The Council agreed that this was a critical area
and that the information obtained from Mr. Argyros
and Mr. Hall was the most encoura~ang ~hey had
heard. Mayor Coco asked t~at the Council and staff
be kept informed of all information and suggestions
to pursue this further.
Following Correspondence ~nd Reports Received:
1. Notice of hearing on retention or dissolution of
Orange County Harbor District (City Resolution in
favor of dissolution of said district to be sent
to the Board of Supervisors)
2. Minutes of October 9, 1969 Executive Meeting~
Orange County Division - League of California
Cities.
3. Correspondence relativ~ to traffic hazards~ stop
signs, speed limits and light standards from
Kenneth G. Hartan, owner of properties 'at 14711,
14741 and 14751 Newport Avenue.
4. City of Tustin, Conditaon of Funds Statement -
City Treasurer.
5. Monthly Fund Summary - D. Blankenshi~.
6. Building Department Report - R. Waldo.
~ty SpOnsorship ~f Senior Citizens - J~ Harrison~
Page
Commendations for'dfficers Crane and Krasco
Mrs. C. W. Morrison.
Notice of Economic Outlook Study - Orange Counly
Chamber of Commerce.
10. Placing dissolution of Harbor District on State
ballot by Assemblyman Briggs League of California
Cities.
11. Notice of General Meeting for October 23, 1969
Orange County League of California Cities.
12. Resolution regarding air pollution - City ~f
Newport Beach.
13. Tustin Chamber of Commerce Quarterly Report.
ADJOURNMENT Ma~or Coco declared the meeting adjourned to a Rersonnel
SesslOn.
MAYOR
CLERK