HomeMy WebLinkAbout01 PC Minutes 6-9-03ITEM #1
7:00 p.m.
Given
All present
Staff present
None
Approved
Adopted Resolution
No. 3870, as
modified
MINUTES
TUSTIN PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING m 7:00 P.M.
JUNE 9, 2O03
CALL TO ORDER
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
ROLL CALL
Elizabeth Binsack, Community Development Director
Doug Holland, Assistant City Attorney
Doug Anderson, Senior Project Manager-Transportation
Karen Peterson, Senior Planner
Matt West, Associate Planner
Eloise Harris, Recording Secretary
PUBLIC CONCERNS
CONSENT CALENDAR
.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES- MAY 12, 2003, PLANNING
COMMISSION MEETING.
It was moved by Pontious, seconded by Amante, to approve the
Consent Calendar. Motion carried 5-0.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
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CONTINUED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 02-018 AND
DESIGN REVIEW 02-018 FOR AUTHORIZATION TO
CONSTRUCT A 2,983 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT,
WITH A DRIVE-THRU LANE AND OUTDOOR DINING
AREA, AT THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 171 EAST
FIRST STREET. THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE
"COMMERCIAL" DESIGNATION WITHIN THE FIRST
STREET SPECIFIC PLAN ZONING DISTRICT.
RECOMMENDATION:
That the Planning Commission adopt Resolution No. 3870
for Conditional Use Permit 02-018 and Design Review 02-
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7:01 p.m.
West
Menard
West
Menard
Director
Jennings
Ron Underwood
Menard
Mr. Underwood
Tiffany Stroupe,
185 Lockwood Park
Place
018 approving the request to construct a 2,983 square foot
restaurant with an outdoor dining area and denying the
request to install a drive-thru lane at 171 East First Street.
The Public Hearing opened.
Presented the staff report.
Asked whether or not during plan
Prospect entrance would include
parking spaces.
check realignment of the
adding finger islands and
Stated additional parking spaces may be provided which could
also allow for additional seats within the proposed footprint of the
building; landscape islands may be required as a result of
complying with the City's Landscaping and Irrigation Guidelines.
Thanked staff for the additional comments provided in this report.
Pointed out Condition 2.23 in the modified resolution of approval
that requires the trash enclosure to be relocated toward the rear
elevation of the building, further away from where it was located
in the plan being reviewed this evening; that modification will take
place at plan check; a condition was added stating the staff may
annually review the use; such review would only be necessary if
problems develop with the conditions of approval or valid issues
occur with the neighbors.
Invited a representative from Farmer Boys to speak.
Thanked staff for their hard work and the Planning Commission
for considering the proposal; stated that Farmer Boys was in
concurrence with the conditions as stated.
Asked Mr. Underwood if other Farmer Boys are operated without
a drive-thru.
Answered that the main corporate restaurant in downtown
Riverside operates without a drive-thru.
Thanked the Planning Commission for their consideration of the
concerns presented by the neighbors, Farmer Boys for their
consideration and elimination of the drive-thru, and the planners
who worked very hard on this project; stated the resolution of the
issues regarding noise and exhaust odors from the rooftop
equipment was appreciated; added that continuing concerns are
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Jennings
Anderson
Jennings
Pontious
Patrick Stroupe,
185 Lockwood Park
Place
Jennings
Mr. Stroupe
Phil Cox, 435 El
Camino Real
the hours of operation and additional traffic that will affect her
neighborhood; suggested perhaps no-outlet signs or other
restrictive signs could be placed in the neighborhood; suggested
that the patio will be a source of noise; and, as a compromise,
given the greater possibility for vandalism at night, requested the
hours of operation be modified to 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. daily in
ensure the privacy and security of the residents.
Asked the Traffic Engineer if a no-outlet sign would be
appropriate since there is an outlet from that neighborhood.
Responded that staff can investigate and determine what type of
signing might deter traffic and also be appropriate for that
location.
Suggested the primary source of traffic would be from vehicles
traveling south on Prospect and not people leaving the proposed
restaurant.
Added that drivers leaving the restaurant site and going into the
neighborhood would require a U-turn at the First Street traffic
signal.
Stated there is a McDonalds 300
Wienersnitzl across the street which
neighborhood.
feet away and a Der
already come into the
Noted that cars exiting on Prospect must turn right and those
exiting on First Street must turn right, which means the exiting
traffic will not be headed toward Mr. Stroupe's neighborhood.
Added his thanks to staff for recommending denying the drive-
thru; commented that the outdoor patio is still a major noise
concern; referred to the activities that take place before a
restaurant opens and after it closes which can result in longer
hours than specified; stated he would like to see Sundays
restricted to 9:00 p.m.; asked for restrictions on the hours
allowing equipment startup, landscape maintenance and
watering, parking lot cleaning, trash pickup, etc. that could
conceivably amount to 24-hour activities; and, reiterated the
request that the hours of operation be restricted to 7:00 a.m. to
10:00 p.m. Monday through Saturday and 7:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m.
on Sunday.
Stated he has owned Cox's Market Plaza for 33 years; suggested
that property owners who purchase homes adjacent to
commercial districts should be prepared to accept the situations
that exist in those residential areas; stated the City's sweeper
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Mr. Underwood
Jennings
Amante
Mr. Underwood
Kenny Dewan,
President of Farm
Fresh Restaurants,
one of the
operators of Farmer
Boys Restaurants
Jennings
Mr. Dewan
Jennings
Mr. Dewan
Jennings
cleans the streets at 5:00 a.m. and that is part of living in Old
Town versus Lemon Heights; referred to the business survey
presentation on May 29, 2003, co-sponsored by the City and the
Chamber of Commerce, which stated the major portion of the
financing of the City comes from sales tax revenue; suggested
the proposed use by Farmer Boys would contribute to that
revenue; stated he and friends visited the Farmer Boys in Brea
and had a very good meal and a pleasant experience; and,
welcomed the project to Old Town.
Stated that Farmer Boys is willing to work with the residents
regarding the hours of operation, but the 6:00 a.m. opening is
extremely important to the Farmer Boys operation; Farmer Boys
would be willing to close the patio at 10:00 p.m.
Asked if Farmer Boys was suggesting opening at 6:00 a.m. for
inside service, opening the patio at 7:00 a.m., and closing the
patio at 10:00 p.m.
Asked if Mr. Underwood was stating Farmer Boys would be
willing to open from 6:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. on Friday and
Saturday.
Asked Kenny Dewan to respond.
Stated he was reluctant to speak for Bob Veriato who was unable
to attend the meeting due to illness; indicated he would not
commit to something which could not be supported later; stated
that opening at 6:00 a.m. and closing at 10:00 p.m. would be
preferable to opening at 7:00 a.m. because all Farmer Boys
restaurants are committed to opening at 6:00 a.m.
Asked for clarification that Mr. Dewan was suggesting operating
hours for the entire restaurant from 6:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m.
Referred to the hours 6:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. Monday through
Thursday and 6:00 a.m. to 12:00 a.m. Friday and Saturday.
Asked Mr. Dewan about the patio hours.
Indicated the patio could be restricted to 8:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m.
daily.
Asked Mr. Dewan if he was suggesting inside hours Monday
through Thursday from 6:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. and Friday and
Saturday on the patio from 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m.
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Nielsen
Mr. Dewan
Jennings
Mr. Dewan
Ms. Stroupe
Jennings
Ms. Stroupe
7:30 p.m.
Jennings
Director
Amante
Pontious
Stated his understanding that the applicant was suggesting hours
being restricted to 10:00 p.m. Friday and Saturday in exchange
for being open at 6:00 a.m,
Answered he had not thought this through and had not spoken
with Mr. Veriato and others who are decision-makers, but he
believes the company might be willing to compromise on the patio
dining hours.
Suggested that the final decision could be left to staff and
company representatives.
Concurred with Chairperson Jennings' suggestion.
Clarified that the residents' request was that the entire restaurant
open at 7:00 a.m. and close at 10:00 p.m. daily, but the previous
comments suggest going back to the original hours.
Stated the inside hours suggested are 6:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. on
weekdays and 6:00 a.m. to 12:00 a.m. on Friday and Saturday
and the patio hours from 7:00 a.m. or 8:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. as
a possible compromise.
Restated the residents' concerns regarding the whole restaurant
and the activities involved in opening, closing, maintenance, etc.
The Public Hearing closed.
Asked staff for information regarding restrictions on noise.
Answered that a condition can be added regarding deliveries and
outdoor operations; the Noise Ordinance governs these issues,
but staff can further restrict some outdoor operations, if desired,
as follows: "Condition 5.8: No deliveries or exterior work shall
occur prior to 7:00 a.m. or after 10:00 p.m. daily."
Complimented staff regarding their handling of the residents'
concerns, especially the removal of the drive-thru; suggested the
revised application is a fair compromise and a balanced approach
to the desires of the residents and the business owner; and,
stated his approval of the project.
Echoed Commissioner Amante's comments, stating Farmer Boys
is a business-friendly use for this site; suggested there may be a
process whereby neighborhood parking could be by permit only;
and, stated her support for staff's recommendation.
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Menard
Nielsen
Adopted Resolution
No. 3877
7:39 p.m.
West
Peter Kolibaba,
representing the
applicant
Nielsen
Mr. Kdibaba
7:43 p.m.
Adopted Resolution
Nos. 3874, 3875,
and 3876
Thanked everyone, especially the applicant, for addressing the
residents' concerns; suggested the proposal now meets all
parties halfway; and, stated he supports staff's recommendation.
Thanked staff and the applicant for the extra work involved in this
project; noted that staff's recommendation presents a viable
compromise between the applicant and the residents; and, stated
he is in favor of the project.
It was moved by Pontious, seconded by Nielsen, to adopt
Resolution No. 3870, as modified. Motion carried 5-0
.
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 03-006 FOR
AUTHORIZATION TO ESTABLISH A VETERINARY
CLINIC FOR CATS. THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED AT
3069 EDINGER AVENUE IN THE PLANNED
COMMUNITY INDUSTRIAL (PC-IND) (JAMBOREE
PLAZA) ZONING DISTRICT.
RECOMMENDATION:
That the Planning Commission adopt Resolution No. 3877
approving Conditional Use Permit 03-006.
The Public Hearing opened.
Presented the staff report.
Thanked staff; and, stated the applicant is in agreement with the
conditions of approval.
Asked if the applicant was moving the business or expanding to
two locations.
Stated the business is moving.
The Public Hearing closed.
It was moved by Amante, seconded by Pontious, to adopt
Resolution No. 3877. Motion carried 5-0.
.
ZONE CHANGE 03-004 AND CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT 03-008 FOR AUTHORIZATION TO AMEND THE
IRVINE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX DISTRICT
REGULATIONS TO ALLOW OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL
VEHICLE (RV) STORAGE AS A CONDITIONALLY
PERMITTED USE PERMIT AND TO CONDITIONALLY
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7:45 p.m.
West
Jennings
Director
Pontious
West
Director
PERMIT THIS USE AT 2681 WALNUT AVENUE. THIS
PROJECT IS LOCATED AT 2681 WALNUT AVENUE IN
THE PLANNED COMMUNITY INDUSTRIAL (PC-IND)
ZONING DISTRICT.
RECOMMENDATION:
That the Planning Commission:
1. Adopt Resolution No. 3874 recommending that the
City Council adopt as adequate the Negative
Declaration for Zone Change 03-004 and Conditional
Use Permit 03-008;
2. Adopt Resolution No. 3875 recommending that the
City Council approve Zone Change 03-004 to allow
outdoor recreational vehicle (RV) storage as a
conditionally permitted use in the Irvine Industrial
Complex; and,
3. Adopt Resolution No. 3876 recommending that the City
Council approve Conditional Use Permit 03-008, a
request to establish outdoor recreational vehicle storage
at 2681 Walnut Avenue.
The Public Hearing opened.
Presented the staff report.
Asked if there is other RV storage in the City.
Answered there is no commercial RV storage; the storage in
Laurelwood is privately owned.
Asked for clarification that the Planning Commission is not
approving the conditional use permit, only sending a
recommendation to the City Council in order for the application to
be concurrent with the zone change.
Answered in the affirmative.
Stated for clarification that the Planning Commission typically
approves and makes the conditional use permit approval
contingent upon approval of the zone change; however, the
applicant is anxious to move the application forward; to meet
noticing guidelines required under the California Environmental
Quality Act, the Planning Commission cannot adopt the Negative
Declaration as final for consideration of the conditional use permit;
hence, all three items will go to the City Council for consideration.
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Pontious
West
Amante
Director
Nielsen
West
7:53 p.m.
Menard
West
None
Director reported
Asked if the parking spaces in front of the second wall would be
designated for cars only.
Responded the spaces are designated by size; an RV would not
fit into those spaces.
Asked staff to clarify whether or not future applicants for RV
storage would come through the Planning Commission for
projects in this commercially zoned area.
Replied that site-specific applications would come before the
Planning Commission; if anything were to be modified on this site,
a condition of approval is included stating those changes could be
approved by the Planning Commission and would not have to go
back through the City Council.
Asked, regarding the shared entry, if the tenant and/or landowner
is aware of this application.
Indicated the owners were sent a notice.
The Public Hearing closed.
It was moved by Pontious, seconded by Amante, to adopt
Resolution Nos. 3874, 3875, and 3876. Motion carried 5-0.
Asked if the applicant plans to replace the temporary signage at
the location with permanent signage.
Stated the banner hanging from the structure is temporary
signage; the monument sign is a permitted sign.
REGULAR BUSINESS
STAFF CONCERNS
,
REPORT OF ACTIONS TAKEN At THE MAY 19 AND
JUNE 3, 2003, CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
The City Council adopted the code amendment for the second
residential unit ordinance.
On June 2, 2003, the Redevelopment Agency and City Council
held a joint hearing on the adoption of the MCAS-Tustin
Redevelopment Plan.
On June 2, 2003, the City Council held a public hearing on the
annexation for the Loretta/Bonner/Medford/Grovesite annexation
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Pontious
Amante
Director
Nielsen
Director
Menard
Amante
for which the Planning Commission made a recommendation; the
application will be forwarded to the Local Agency Formation
Commission of Orange County; a Public Hearing will be held in
August or September, and the annexation will become final.
The Final Parcel Map 2002-106, the car wash at the corner of
Newport Avenue and Main Street, was considered by the City
Council, became effective, and will be recorded with the County
Recorder.
Noted that Vestar was approved as the developer for the Tustin
Legacy retail site.
Asked how many homes are in the annexation area.
Answered that staff would determine the number and report back to
the Planning Commission.
COMMISSION CONCERNS
Stated he enjoyed the Chili Cook-off.
Asked who is responsible for the maintenance of MCAS-Tustin.
Responded that the City is responsible and has been since the
property was turned over to the City several years ago.
Thanked John Laing Homes and Lowe Enterprises for the ground-
breaking ceremony which was a very nice event.
Stated he also enjoyed the Chili Cook-off.
Echoed the comments of the above Commissioners, especially
regarding the John Laing Homes ground-breaking which was the
best he has ever attended.
Stated he was a judge at the Chili Cook-off, along with the
Community Development Director and Planning Commission
Chairperson; and, added there were approximately 15,000 people
in attendance.
Congratulated Matt West on his promotion; and, remarked on his
consistently excellent work.
Noted there were two pictures in the Tustin News of Linda Jennings
at the Chili Cook-off.
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Pontious
Jennings
8:00 p.m.
Stated she was also at the Chili Cook-off where she sold wrist
bands.
Offered congratulations to Matt West on his promotion.
Noted the Stater Brothers bakery has installed outdoor seating;
and, asked staff to investigate whether or not the seating is
permitted.
Indicated she enjoyed judging the Chili Cook-off for the first time;
most of the 16 recipes were quite good.
Stated she hoped everyone saw the Old Town article in the Real
Estate section of the Los Angeles Times yesterday.
Thanked staff for their hard work on the Farmer Boys application.
ADJOURNMENT
The next regular meeting of the Planning Commission is scheduled
for Monday, June 23, 2003, at 7:00 p.m. in the Council Chamber at
300 Centennial Way.
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