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TUSTIN PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING -- 7:00 P.M.
JULY 14, 2003
ITEM #1
7:00 p.m.
Given
All present
None
Approved
Approved; adopted
Resolution No. 3880;
Resolution No. 3881
to be adopted at next
Planning Commission
meeting
CALLTO ORDER
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
ROLL CALL
PUBLIC CONCERNS
CONSENT CALENDAR
1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JUNE 23, 2003,
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
It was moved by Pontious, seconded by Amante, to approve
the Consent Calendar. Motion carried 5-0.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP 2003-131,
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 03-007, AND DESIGN
REVIEW 03-008 REQUESTING: 1)
AUTHORIZATION TO SUBDIVIDE FOUR (4)
EXISTING PARCELS (4.09 ACRES) INTO FOUR
PARCELS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A GARDEN
CENTER ON A 1.47-ACRE PARCEL; 2)
AUTHORIZATION TO ESTABLISH A GARDEN
CENTER WITH A 6,400 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING
AND 41,007 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR SALES
AREA, AND ESTABLISH THE NUMBER OF
REQUIRED PARKING SPACES THROUGH THE
APPROVAL OF A PARKING DEMAND ANALYSIS;
AND, 3) AUTHORIZATION FOR BUILDING AND
SITE DESIGN. THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED AT
505 EL CAMINO REAL IN THE CENTRAL
COMMERCIAL (C-2), CULTURAL RESOURCES
AND PARKING OVERLAY DISTRICT AND TOWN
CENTER REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT AREA.
Minutes - Planning Commission 7-14-03 - Page I
7:02 p.m.
Ashabi
Director
Amante
Director
Menard
Director
RECOMMENDATION:
That the Planning Commission adopt:
1. Resolution No. 3880 approving Tentative Parcel
Map 03-131; and,
Resolution No. 3881 approving Conditional Use
Permit 03-007 authorizing the establishments of a
garden center and required parking spaces and
Design Review 03-008 authorizing a modified
building and site design, as recommended by
staff.
The Public Hearing opened.
Presented the staff report.
Indicated that staff would not be recommending approval of
the parcel map subdivision without the conditions added;
there are concerns regarding the parcelization as shown;
Conditions 2.1 and 3.2 hold the parcels together for
ingress/egress, parking, etc., so that the four parcels will
generally act as one common site; the result will be the
orderly development of the site for future use; the Planning
Commission is looking at one small piece.
Regarding the design review application, staff is making a
positive recommendation; this center will be a benefit to the
Old Town area; staff has concerns regarding the
architecture; the building presented may be more
appropriate for a suburban setting on a major arterial
highway; staff made suggestions to fulfill the visions of Old
Town that would further the goals of Old Town and maintain
the applicant's desired goals.
This proposal is for a much larger development than
normally seen in Old Town; a similar challenge was the
Acorn Naturalists site; staff worked with that applicant to
accommodate the size and needs of that facility.
Asked for the height of the Acorn Naturalists building.
Answered either 32 or 35 feet high.
Asked if the Tentative Parcel Map can be approved.
Answered in the affirmative.
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Menard
Director
Jennings
Ted Stelzner, TJS
Architects, representing
the applicant
Jennings
Mr. Stelzner
Jennings
Mr. Stelzner
Jennings
Nielsen
Mr. Stelzner
Menard
Mr. Stelzner
Amante
Asked for the timeframe for the Final Map recordation.
Indicated the applicant can bring the Final Map forward at
any time.
Asked the applicant to come to the lectern.
Referred to his 20-year history as an architect for Armstrong
Garden Centers; and, iterated the design criteria necessary
for a garden center to bring people to Old Town Tustin.
Asked if the 55 foot setback is the minimum for Armstrong's
purposes.
Stated there are many things to be accomplished in that
front setback; bringing the building to the street would result
in the project being out of scale and mass; the front setback
amenities are designed to encourage people to congregate
and be drawn into the business; also, the cashiers are at the
front and require an 1 l-foot clearance.
Asked about the concern that the material at the front be
more in keeping with the Old Town buildings.
Indicated the brick on the columns will be matched to brick
on other Old Town Buildings; a two-foot brick planter has
been included of the same material; a wooden fence would
not work; the wrought iron fence is necessary to allow
people to see into the facility.
Stated the Planning Commission is delighted to have
Armstrong coming to Tustin; and, suggested that a
compromise can be reached that will satisfy both the
applicant and Old Town residents.
Stated that he drove by other Armstrong facilities; and,
asked if the Tustin size will be similar to the Newport store.
Answered the Newport Beach store is 60 feet by 80 feet; the
Tustin location will be 80 feet by 80 feet; otherwise, the
design is the same.
Asked if the garden center area will be larger than in other
Armstrong stores.
Replied the size will be comparable to other locations.
Asked for the timeline for the opening of the store.
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Mr. Stelzner
Monte Enright, Vice
President of Armstrong
Garden Centers
Jennings
Mr. Enright
Craig Furniss, Tustin
Chamber of Commerce
Paul Berkman, owner of
Rutabegorz Restaurant
in Old Town
Mary Ann Dyvig, Angels
Garden Designs, Old
Town
Indicated that construction could start within three to four
months of approval; the plan is to be open at least by
February 2004.
Stated the intent is to make the Tustin site a flagship store;
stores in Santa Ana and Irvine will be closed; Armstrong
studies have shown what is necessary to create traffic
patterns within a garden center and circulation in the yard;
the projection of 140,000 trips will hold only if the proposal is
approved as presented.
Suggested that changing the materials on the fa~;ade of the
building would not affect any of the aspects mentioned by
Mr. Enright.
Answered that changing the facade would not affect the
movement pattern, but would impact the ambience and
feeling of relaxation that gardeners seek; Armstrong does
not want to resemble a "box" store but to market to clientele
who garden for pleasure and relaxation; Armstrong
customers designed the current plan--from the lighting, to
the color of the wood, to the shape of the buildings, to the
illumination in the building, to the fragrances and preferred
no loud speakers, forklifts, or chicken manure; blocking in
any way what takes place inside the store would defeat the
open feeling Armstrong strives to maintain.
Stated he and his wife are gardeners and are thrilled that
Armstrong is coming to Old Town; and, read into the record
the Chamber's petition supporting this project, which is
herein incorporated by reference.
Stated he appreciates the appearance of the Armstrong
Garden Center as proposed and believes they will be a
better neighbor than Home Depot or Lowe's; added the
Knowlwood site in Fullerton that was presented in the report
is a bad example because that site is unsightly and has
presented ongoing code enforcement problems due to lack
of upkeep; and, stated his support of the Armstrong project
as presented by the applicant.
Indicated that she chose Old Town Tustin for her business
after looking at alternatives because there is a feeling in the
Old Town area of treasures from the past; and, stated her
feeling that the City should be proud and honored that
Armstrong chose Old Town for a flagship store.
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Spencer Gilbreath,
owner across the street
from proposed center
Curt Lilly, 145 A Street,
Tustin
Phil Cox, owner of the
property to the north of
the proposed site
Stephen Melvin, 663
Ambrose Lane, Tustin
Jennings
Mr. Melvin
Tom Orr, 355 West Sixth
Street, Tustin
Sharon Jones, 520 West
Main Street, Tustin
Stated that, 50 years ago when he moved to Tustin, the
property had a fruit stand on it and still has a fruit stand on it;
the Armstrong proposal is beautiful; it is time to be rid of the ·
vacant lots downtown; he supports the project.
Stated he, and everyone he knows in Old Town, is in favor
of this project; he is not in favor of the changes as proposed
by the staff; asked that the tree be saved, rather than
removed to make room for a parking spot; and, added that
staff should cooperate as much as possible to hurry this
project along.
Stated he is looking forward to Armstrong as a neighbor; the
proposed building is reminiscent of the Sunkist Packing
House and the Francis Bros. Windows & Screens which
were located in Old Town; those buildings have been gone
for some time; Armstrong will be a wonderful use of the
property.
Indicated his home is across Sixth Street from the proposed
location; commended Armstrong on their customer research;
asked if hazardous materials will be stored in the trellis area;
added that his biggest concern is that the attempts by his
homeowners association to contact Armstrong in order to
schedule a meeting have been unsuccessful, leading him to
wonder how Armstrong will fit into the community; stated it is
imperative that Armstrong be held to all the conditions and
not request changes later on; and, noted he cannot speak in
favor of or against the project until these issues are
resolved.
Asked what sort of hazardous materials he was referring to.
Answered that ammonia, fertilizing chemicals, pesticides,
etc. can sometimes be found at locations where there are
fruit trees and other trees; if such items were stored in one
area and a fire occurred, that could have an impact on his
neighborhood.
Stated he is strongly in favor of the Armstrong nursery; and,
suggested energy should also be spent preserving the Utt
Juice building.
Indicated that Armstrong should be aware that many of the
people who live in the Old Town area are part-time farmers,
orchardists, and gardeners who are excited about this facility
coming to Old Town; the project will be a positive
contribution to the revitalization of the Old Town business
area; the City staff and residents should do everything they
Minutes - Planning Commission 7-14-03 - Page 5
Mr. Enright
Joe Amaral, Armstrong
Garden Centers
8:05 p.m.
Pontious
Amante
Nielsen
Menard
can do to make Armstrong successful, while Armstrong
should be sensitive to issues such as pedestrian continuity
within the area.
Stated there will be no hazardous material stored outside the
building; indicated only lawn fertilizers and home remedy
insecticides will be stored inside the building; added that
only nontoxic products for eliminating insects are used within
the nursery; and, asked Joe Amaral to speak regarding the
community involvement issue.
Presented petitions supporting this project and signed by
merchants and residents of Old Town, which are
incorporated herein by reference; stated a meeting was held
at the Senior Center to answer concerns of residents;
indicated Armstrong was unsuccessful in attempts to
arrange a meeting with Transpacific Property Management
Company; and, added that Armstrong is a very community-
oriented company.
The Public Hearing closed.
Thanked staff for their hard work and commitment to the Old
Town RUDAT, which was designed to avoid having parking
in the front of businesses, thereby avoiding the strip-mall
appearance; the Armstrong plan provides a pleasant visual
frontage that will encourage pedestrian traffic; while she had
some reservations, the testimony of the residents convinced
her to support the project as presented.
Stated it is attractive to have a flagship store in Old Town
which will impact the City's economic base and benefit other
merchants in the area; support by the Chamber of
Commerce is a good thing; the architect's drawing and
description of the proposed nursery makes this a better fit for
the Old Town environment than the Acorn Naturalists
building; he supports the proposal as submitted.
Indicated this is a spectacular project; the Newport store is
one of the cleanest garden stores he has ever seen; he and
everyone he has talked to is excited about having this
project in Old Town; the project represents Tustin's agrarian
beginnings; thanked staff for presenting an alternative
proposal, but he supports Armstrong's without modification.
Requested that the tree be saved and the proposal
approved with one less parking place; asked if the parking
re-review for the fruit stand is in the process or is something
that comes after tonight's approval.
Minutes - Planning Commission 7-14-03 - Page 6
Director
Menard
Director
Menard
Anderson
Mena~
Jennings
Director
Amante
Ashabi
Amante
Director
Stated the re-review will go forward after approval; the
conditional use permit was granted to the Prescotts and was
granted on the larger parcel and would need to be amended
to a smaller parcel.
Asked if reciprocal parking could be included to make up for
the one space.
Answered in the affirmative.
Suggested that a new route will then be introduced at the
alley of the flag parcel; and, asked how through traffic from
Prospect and Main Street can be maintained from going
through that alley.
Stated the alley is aligned so as no head-on condition would
exist; people coming down Prospect would have to drive to
the left to enter that driveway; no conflict will be created by
people going straight through.
Indicated he is happy to support this project and looks
forward to shopping at Armstrong very soon.
Stated that she hopes the tree can be saved; she still does
not like the building but wants Armstrong in Old Town and is
willing to go along with the other Commissioners in
supporting the project.
Stated that, if it is the consensus of the Commission to
approve the project, modifications to Resolution No. 3881
will be necessary; Conditions 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, and 3.4 would be
eliminated and Condition 5.1 would be modified to reference
43 parking spaces rather than 44 spaces.
Asked for clarification of Condition 3.6 regarding the
sidewalk.
Stated that Condition 3.6 was included to provide pedestrian
access from the primary entrance to the secondary entrance
and would be accommodated by moving the fencing.
Asked for clarification of Condition 5.6.
Suggested modifying Condition 5.6 to read: "The outdoor
display along El Camino Real shall be in accordance with
the approved site plan." Staff can make it clear on the site
plan as to what could be located in that area.
Minutes - Planning Commission 7-14-03 - Page 7
Nielsen
Anderson
Amante
Holland
Continued to
July 28, 2003,
Planning
Commission
meeting
Director
None
Asked if the plan is to wait and see how truck deliveries
through the alleyway are handled.
Answered in the affirmative.
Asked if the language of Resolution No. 3881 needs further
modification.
Suggested the Commission direct staff to bring Resolution
No. 3881 back for adoption at the next Planning Commission
meeting in order to allow time for the applicant and staff to
discuss and appropriately modify the resolution.
It was moved by Pontious, seconded by Jennings, to adopt
Resolution No. 3880. Motion carried 5-0.
ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CITY OF TUSTIN
MUNICIPAL CODE GOVERNING INCENTIVES FOR
THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING
(CODE AMENDMENT 03-005). THE PROPOSED
ORDINANCE NO. 1279 AMENDS TUSTIN CITY
CODE ARTICLE 9, CHAPTER 1, GOVERNING
INCENTIVES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF
AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO COMPLY WITH THE
CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE'S 2002 AMENDMENT
OF GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 65915 AND TO
MAKE OTHER CONFORMING CHANGES TO
STATE LAW.
RECOMMENDATION:
That the Planning Commission adopt Resolution No.
3879 recommending that the City Council adopt Code
Amendment No. 03-005.
Stated a request for continuance was received from
Lennar/Lyon because this ordinance will affect the Base
property they own.
It was moved by Jennings, seconded by Pontious, to
continue this item to the July 28, 2003, Planning
Commission meeting.
REGULAR BUSINESS
STAFF CONCERNS
REPORT OF ACTIONS TAKEN AT THE JULY 7,
2003, CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
Minutes - Planning Commission 7-14-03 - Page 8
Director reported
Jennings
Director
Nielsen
Menard
Pontious
Ashabi
The City Council took action on the zone change and
conditional use permit related to RV storage in the Irvine
Industrial complex.
The City Council had the second reading of the noise
ordinance amendment that established standards for the
mixed-use zones within the City.
COMMISSION CONCERNS
Thanked staff for their work on the Armstrong project.
Stated the Albertsons' Grand Opening was a wonderful event.
Asked if there has been a Cultural Resources Advisory Board
meeting.
Answered in the negative.
Indicated he enjoyed the Albertsons' Grand Opening.
Noted the Tustin Meadows Fourth of July parade and carnival
was enjoyable, as always.
State the City's fireworks display was spectacular, adding that
he worked the parking lot at Tustin High School for that event.
Complimented the staff for their hard work on the Armstrong
project.
Stated there is an ongoing parking issue at the Starbucks
location at the corner of El Camino Real and Red Hill.
Echoed Commissioners Jennings' and Nielsen's remarks
regarding the Albertsons' opening.
Stated he enjoyed the Tustin Meadows parade and carnival.
Thanked Parks and Recreation for the fireworks display.
Noted the Wednesday night Concerts in the Park have been
very enjoyable.
Asked what happened to the plans for a recycling center at the
news Albertsons store.
Answered that facility is not yet open.
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Pontious
Director
Pontious
Amante
8:32 p.m.
Asked what the timeframe is for the Utt Juice proposal.
Stated the consultant is working on the Draft Environmental
Impact Report; and, indicated the Redevelopment Agency
suggested the proposal may come before the Planning
Commission in late August or early September.
Noted she will be out of town September 11 through 27 and
would like that project to be scheduled when she is available
to attend the Planning Commission meeting.
Congratulated the staff for their work on the Armstrong project
and their consistently providing excellent, thorough materials
and presentations before the Commission.
Thanked staff for their prompt response to Commission
concerns around the City.
Congratulated the Police Department officers who received
promotions last week.
Thanked Patrick Sanchez for the wonderful Fourth of July
celebration and fireworks display.
ADJOURNMENT:
The next regular meeting of the Planning Commission is
scheduled for Monday, July 28, 2003, at 7:00 p.m. in the
Council Chamber at 300 Centennial Way.
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