HomeMy WebLinkAbout01 PC MINUTES 12-12-17 MINUTES ITEM #1
REGULAR MEETING
TUSTIN PLANNING COMMISSION
DECEMBER 12, 2017
7.00 p.m. CALLED TO ORDER
Given INVOCATION/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE: Thompson
ROLL CALL: Chair Smith
Chair Pro Tem Kozak
Commissioners Lumbard, Mason, Thompson
None PUBLIC CONCERNS
CONSENT CALENDAR:
Approved the 1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES — NOVEMBER 28, 2017
Minutes of the
November 28, RECOMMENDATION:
2017 Planning
Commission That the Planning Commission approve the Minutes of the November
meeting, as 28, 2017 Planning Commission meeting, as provided.
amended.
It was moved by Kozak, seconded by Mason, to approve the Minutes of the
November 28, 2017 Planning Commission meeting, as amended. Motion
carried 5-0.
2. 305 AND 315 SOUTH "C" STREET
Received and At the November 14, 2017, Planning Commission meeting, a
filed. representative of the Tustin Preservation Conservancy presented the
Commission with a letter regarding the pending sale of the vacant Mary
Tustin — Lindsay house located at 305 S. C Street in Old Town. The
Conservancy expressed concerns about the future of the property and
urged the Commission to take steps to preserve the house.
This report provides the Commission with information related to the
historic property located at 305 and 315 South "C" Street.
RECOMMENDATION:
That the Planning Commission receive and file this item.
PUBLIC HEARING:
Adopted 3. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT (CUP) 2017-16 TO ESTABLISH A
Resolution No. RESTAURANT IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN EXISTING KARAOKE
4357, as FACILITY FOR ON-SITE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC
amended. BEVERAGES AT 14561 & 14571 RED HILL AVENUE
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APPLICANT: Dinish Mistry
Voko Karaoke & Restaurant
14561 Red Hill Avenue
Tustin, CA 92780
PROPERTY Richter Farms Trust
OWNER: Interpacific Asset Management Company
5505 Garden Grove Boulevard, Suite 150
Westminster, CA 92683
ENVIRONMENTAL:
This project is categorically exempt pursuant to the California
Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) Section 15301, Class 1 pertaining to
existing facilities.
REQUEST:
A request to establish a restaurant use in conjunction with an existing
karaoke facility and for on-site consumption of alcoholic beverages.
RECOMMENDATION:
That the Planning Commission adopt Resolution No. 4357 approving
CUP 2017-16 to establish a restaurant in conjunction with an existing
karaoke facility and for on-site consumption of alcoholic beverages at
14561 & 14571 Red Hill Avenue.
Dove Presentation given.
Thompson Thompson referred to the staff report where 80 percent of the floor area is
reserved for restaurant use and questioned if the 80 percent is being achieved
by the rooms being considered as "seating area". He also referred to the
Power Point presentation and asked how seating would be accomplished
based on the floor plan.
Dove In response to Thompson's question, Dove explained that each room has a
table and banquet seating around the table for each room to be served by the
wait staff.
Thompson Thompson also mentioned that presently, the CUPs that have been in place
allow food and preparation. He added that the only thing the Commission was
considering was the sale of beer and wine. Thompson commented that it is a
more sophisticated presentation of food.
Dove Dove stated that the applicant could serve the food they are proposing (i.e.
finger food and pre-packaged food) but that the City does not consider this
type of establishment a bona fide restaurant. She stated that the difference is
now the applicant has a full menu and the cooking facility is more in line with
the proposed menu.
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Thompson Thompson's final comments were related to avoiding piece-mealing. He
mentioned the applicant's previous CUP applications. Thompson also asked
if the proposed CUP had any other changes or applications being considered
in the future.
Dove Dove stated that staff was not aware of any other additional requests and she
deferred the question to the applicant.
Lumbard Lumbard requested clarification with the staff report stating "consistent hours
with the rest of the tenants within the center" and asked if there were any
other tenants currently operating past midnight.
Dove Dove stated that other than Lamppost Pizza possibly operating past midnight,
she was not aware of any other tenants operating past midnight. She added
that the applicant already had approval for the 2:00 a.m. closing time.
7:12 p.m. Public Hearing Opened.
Mr. Ken Henderson, Tustin Greens resident, spoke in opposition of the item.
His concerns generally included: facility too close to residential area;
opposition of Condition 2.3 of Resolution No. 4357; referred to Thompson's
question regarding the 80 percent seating; and Mr. Henderson called the
facility a "club" and not a "restaurant".
Mrs. Mistry, wife of the applicant, Dinish Mistry, approached the podium to
answer the Commission's questions, on behalf of her husband, the applicant.
Thompson Thompson referred to the applicant's already submitted three (3) applications
on this facility and asked Mrs. Dinish if there were any other applications
being considered.
Mrs. Dinish's response to Thompson's question was, no applications are
planned. She added that being business owners, she and her husband were
not aware as to how much money they would be putting into their businesses.
Mrs. Dinish mentioned the background of their karaoke businesses, along with
the multiple applications submitted so far. She stated that the premise of the
karaoke facility is "for people to stay in the room, have a good time, sing, eat
and go". Mrs. Dinish added that she and her husband are hoping that the
proposed CUP is approved since they are currently not making any profit.
Mason Mason asked if the applicants would be serving a full menu at the
establishment.
In response to Mason's question, Mrs. Dinish stated that they would be
serving finger foods, not entrees. The applicant's plan is to find a professional
chef and then introduce entree items to the menu in the future.
Kozak Kozak referred to the comments previously made by Mr. Henderson. He
asked Mrs. Dinish if she was familiar with the Conditions of Approval,
specifically, "doors are to be closed and locked during operating hours", as
well as the definition of "closing time" in the proposed resolution stating that
"all customers have left the premises". Kozak wanted to ensure that the
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applicant was prepared to implement the Conditions of Approval as well as
monitor the establishment.
In response to Kozak's question, Mrs. Dinish stated that she and her husband
are prepared to implement the Conditions of Approval as well as monitor the
establishment.
7:22 p.m. Public Hearing Closed.
Smith Smith asked staff to confirm that the applicant is currently not serving food
and that the requirement is that they would have to operate a full restaurant
with a Conditional Use Permit. He referred to the proposed resolution and
asked staff where, within the resolution, does it specifically refer to "food
service operation".
Dove In response to Smith's question on the food service operation, Dove
confirmed that there is a condition that states that the food must exceed
alcohol sales.
Binsack Binsack referred the Commission to the proposed Resolution No. 4357,
specifically Conditions No. 2.1 and 2.2, which identifies that the use has to
remain as a bona fide eating establishment and the issuance of a Type 41
Alcohol Beverage Control (ABC) license is for a bona fide eating
establishment.
Smith Smith also stated that the applicant would not be issued their ABC license
until they have proven that the restaurant operation is in effect and they
actually have a chef hired and that the chef is producing food.
Binsack In general, Binsack stated that it does not have to do with the chef, but the
amount of food sales over alcohol sales (more than 51 percent food, 49
percent alcohol).
Kozak Kozak further asked about the delineation of food service revenue and alcohol
beverage revenue and if ABC monitored and reported back to staff.
Binsack In response to Kozak's question, Binsack stated that the City does not require
an audit on an annual basis. There is a condition that identifies that if the City
requests audited receipts, that they be provided.
Thompson Thompson referred to the Pizza Hut, within the same center, and asked if beer
is currently being sold at that establishment.
Binsack Binsack was not aware if Pizza Hut sold beer at that establishment.
Lumbard Lumbard voiced his concern with the "piece-meal" approach. He stated that if
the project was brought to the Commission (as a whole) one year ago, he
would not have been in support of an alcohol license, extended hours, and
allowing the karaoke business in that location because of the local residents.
Lumbard also felt that although the business has been a "good neighbor", the
extended hours of operation and liquor license changes the center, which he
is not supportive of.
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Mason Mason commented that after reviewing the Commission meeting minutes from
the prior meeting, there seemed to be concern regarding alcohol service and
hours of operation from the residents and public. She also made comments
on the restaurant industry. Mason also concurred with Lumbard's previous
statement on "piece-mealing". She stated that although there have been no
reported issues with the establishment, adding beer and wine without an
established restaurant causes concern. Mason added that the applicant
continues providing audited numbers when the Commission has asked for
receipts. She mentioned that the applicant had expressed concern with
driving traffic to the area. Mason suggested adding conditions that any
reported issues, noise, etc. from the public and the Tustin Police Department
be immediately reviewed by staff, along with review of the CUP.
Smith In response to Mason's comments, Smith stated that the elements still remain
intact (six (6) calls) which remains in place as a threshold for staff to review
the CUP. He also mentioned that if the applicant violates any of the
conditions within the resolution, then the Director of Community Development
can review further and make a decision whether or not to revoke the CUP.
Thompson Thompson also had concern with the number of applications the applicant has
submitted. He also felt reassured that the applicant would not submit another
application. Thompson agreed with Mr. Henderson's concerns that the
establishment would become a "night club" and the proximity of the
establishment to the residential area. If the Commission approves the
application, Thompson was in favor of adding a condition (to Condition 2.12)
that requires staff to return to the Commission with any updates or reports on
the establishment.
Kozak Kozak did not have any further comments.
Smith Smith's final comments generally included: he was in favor of the application;
he made favorable comments on there being no issues reported on the
establishment; and he was in favor of Thompson's suggestion on adding a
condition.
Lumbard Lumbard's further commented on paying attention to the precedent that the
hours of operation and liquor license are set in line with the Red Hill Corridor.
Kozak In response to Thompson's previous suggestion, Kozak asked staff to provide
a report to the Commission, as done with previous CUP's, in six (6) months
rather than amending the proposed resolution.
Binsack Binsack referred the Commission to Condition 1.5 which is in regards to an
"annual review" and suggested including "that CUP 2017-16 shall be reviewed
within six (6) months..." and that if there were any issues, staff would notice
the item for revocation.
Motion. It was moved by Smith, seconded by Kozak, to adopt Resolution No. 4357, as
amended. Motion carried 4-1. Lumbard dissented.
Binsack Binsack reminded the Commission and public of the ten (10) day appeal
period, should anyone oppose the item.
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4. CONTINUED ITEM FROM THE NOVEMBER 14, 2017 PLANNING
COMMISSION MEETING - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT (CUP) 2017-
10, DESIGN REVIEW 2017-011 AND LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT 2016-03
APPLICANT: Berdj Keuylian
Berhour Holdings, LLC
11803 Windhill Way
Santa Ana, CA 92705
PROPERTY Berhour Holdings, LLC
OWNER: 11803 Windhill Way
Santa Ana, CA 92705
LOCATION: 125 North "A" Street/ 395 West First Street
ENVIRONMENTAL:
This project is categorically exempt pursuant to the CEQA Sections
15301, Class 1 (Existing Facilities), 15315, Class 15 (Minor Land
Divisions) and 15331, Class 31 (Historic Resource
Restoration/Rehabilitation).
REQUEST:
A request to remove partial condition of approval "2g" from Planning
Commission Resolution No. 1574 (UP 76-27) by maintaining the use of
the residential structure as a residence, restoring the existing residential
structure to its historic appearance and combining two (2) parcels into
one (1).
RECOMMENDATION:
That the Planning Commission adopt Resolution No. 4351, approving
CUP 2017-10 to modify UP 76-27 to remove partial condition of approval
"2g" from Resolution No. 1574 to authorize the continued use of the
residential structure on the subject property subject to a condition
requiring that the dwelling remains affordable to low/moderate income
renters for 55 years, Design Review 2017-11 to return the residential
structure to its historic appearance, and Lot Line Adjustment 2016-03 to
combine two (2) lots into one (1) parcel.
Dove Presentation given.
Mason Mason asked the Assistant City Attorney, Lois Bobak, and staff to provide
additional explanation regarding "2G", of the Conditions of Approval, as it
pertains to low income housing. She also asked for further explanation on the
residential properties in the surrounding area.
Bobak In response to Mason's question, Bobak generally spoke on the background
of the property and she explained how Condition No. 2g was first imposed,
which was in 1976 as part of the condition that the CUP allowed the property
to be developed with the gas station. She added that since the property is
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designated as a commercial use, it conforms to the First Street Specific Plan
and the predecessor to the current owner did not comply with that condition.
Per Bobak, in 2010, the new owner entered into an agreement allowing the
five (5) year extension of the time period for converting the residential use to a
commercial use.
Willkom In response to Mason's second question regarding the surrounding properties,
Willkom provided the following description of the surrounding properties: to
the north of the property there is currently a single-family residence; to the
east of the property there is a physical therapy business; to the south of the
property, there are offices (commercial); and the remaining surrounding
properties are an auto service related business, and to the north of that use is
a single-family residence as well.
Lumbard Lumbard asked staff about the enforceability of the new CUP since there have
been problems enforcing in the past. He asked that if the Commission were
to approve the CUP, how the City would go about enforcing the obligation to
update the residential structure.
Binsack Per Binsack, the City is trying to amicably work this out with the property
owner. She referred the Commission to Exhibit E of the staff report, which
was an agreement the City entered into with the current property owner.
Given the fact that the owner failed to comply with that agreement, puts the
entire site at risk, including the service station. Binsack stated that the City
can enforce the agreement but have determined that the City would attempt
some other compromise/solution first and if unable to do so, then the City will
enforce the agreement.
Thompson Thompson referred to the supplemental item received from the applicant,
expressing their dissent with staff's recommendation. He also asked for
further clarification regarding Condition No. 2g being put in place because the
residence was too close to the service station. Thompson asked what the
"genesis" was of removing the residential use on the property.
Bobak In response to Thompson's question regarding Condition No. 2g, Bobak
referred to the site plan and stated the following in general: the residential use
of the property was and is a non-conforming use since the site is zoned
commercial and it is occupied primarily by a commercial use; the commercial
use extends into the boundaries of the residential property; there are gas
station uses that cross over onto the boundary which is why the City required
that the property owner treat it as a single property and that is why staff is
processing the lot line adjustment; and the reason the residence is supposed
to be converted to commercial use is because the residential use is a non-
conforming use under the First Street Specific Plan.
Thompson Thompson asked Bobak about the "next step" in the process as to the
allowance in the proposal and how precedent setting it is. He also asked if it
is creating a loophole or if there are reasons stating why the proposal makes
sense.
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Bobak Bobak responded that from staff's perspective, part of the reason the proposal
made sense was the fact that it was providing low and moderate income
housing. She referred to the scales of "do you want to eliminate non-
conforming uses or do you want to maintain historic structures or do you want
to provide low-income to moderate income housing?" The historic nature of
the structure does not factor into that equation because you can maintain the
historic nature of the structure by adaptive reuse. Bobak explained further
that in staff's opinion, the elimination of a non-conforming use is important and
it furthers all of the goals of the Specific Plan, the General Plan, and City
Zoning regulations. Under Condition 2.3, it would continue to ensure that the
property provides low and moderate incoming housing for at least 55 years.
Thompson Thompson stated that since 1977, the property has continued to be rented
and income has been generated to the property owner — 40 years of rent
payments is a substantial amount to be generated on a use that should have
never occurred, which is a significant benefit to the property owner. He then
asked that if the Commission approved the item and the applicant enters into
an agreement with the 55 year condition for low and moderate income, then
decides to change the type of use five (5) years into the agreement, if the
agreement would be canceled in order to make it commercial use, or is it even
possible.
Bobak In response to Thompson's previous statement, Bobak agreed with
Thompson's previous statement. She further explained that the property
owner will be able to continue to gather not only rent from the home but the
profits from the commercial use on the property. The City could eliminate the
commercial use on the property because of the applicant's failure to comply
with the terms of the 2011 agreement. Instead, staff is "saying" we agree to
maintain the commercial use, allow the property owner to continue to get the
economic benefit of the commercial use on the property, as well as continue
to get the economic benefit of the home on the property, but at a low and
moderate income rate.
Bobak Condition 2.3 would only require that the property be rented at moderate
income rates as long as it is used for residential property. If the property
owner decided that they wanted to adaptively reuse the property for
commercial use, they could do that and then Condition No. 2.3 would no
longer be valid. At any point, the applicant could adaptively reuse the
property for commercial and the requirement for low to moderate income goes
away. Condition No. 2.3 only guarantees the property remain low and
moderate income for 55 years as long as it is used for residential purposes.
Smith Smith asked staff that if the Commission did not approve the item would staff
return back to enforcing the violated agreement.
Binsack Binsack confirmed Smith's statement.
Lumbard Lumbard asked if a 55 year housing agreement is typical for low to moderate
income housing agreements in Tustin and if Condition No. 2.3 is converted to
commercial use, can it be returned to residential use. He also asked if the
housing agreement would become void if the property was converted to a
commercial use.
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Binsack Binsack stated that a 55 year housing agreement is typical for low to
moderate income housing agreements in Tustin and if the property is
converted to commercial use, it cannot return to residential status.
Bobak Bobak added that it is standard to take a non-conforming use and convert it to
conforming. She stated that a conforming use cannot be reverted to the non-
conforming use and that the housing agreement would also become void if
converted to commercial use.
8:05 p.m. Public Hearing Opened.
Ms. Seda Yaghoubian spoke on behalf of the applicant and her
comments/concerns generally included: she asked the Commission to
approve the CUP; the applicants major concern is related to Condition No. 2.3
regarding the affordable housing requirement; the applicants believe the
condition is "disproportionate" to their request to continue the residential use
of the historic house; the applicants requested the Commission approve the
CUP without Condition No. 2.3 and to "treat their request with fairness"; Ms.
Yaghoubian asked the Commission to "consider the fact that the applicants
are not developers but gas station owners"; she provided additional
background information on the applicants gas station and it being the main
source of income for the family; the owners have lost all income from the
residents that have lived at the property in the last 16 months; "a formal
affordable housing agreement would create an unnecessary burden by adding
a complex and logistical administrative compliance framework that the owners
should not have to be subjected to"; the residential property has continually
been used as a residence since the 1920's for low and moderate income; and
Ms. Yaghoubian added that the applicants have been working with staff to
address the many issues (engineering, architectural issues, etc.).
Doug Ely, architect, assisted the owner of the property in the preparation of
the rehabilitation plans. His comments generally included: if the property was
converted to a commercial building (i.e. dentist office) it usually involves
relocating windows and doors which leads to other issues in terms of
compliance with the Secretary of Interior Standards (S.I.S.) for historic
preservation; in his opinion, the best use of this property is to keep it as a
residence; Mr. Ely agreed with Ms. Yaghoubian with the burden of affordable
housing limitations on the property; the S.I.S. really limits what can and cannot
be done with the property; the size of the property will limit the actual use; and
affordable housing is usually a percentage of a much higher density
development.
8:12 p.m. Public Hearing Closed.
Thompson Thompson's comments generally included: he agreed with the statement of
having 100 percent affordable housing requirement being burdensome if
being treated as a development proposal, but this is not a development
proposal; this is a mitigation to resolve a situation that has been ongoing for
many years; staff has worked hard and insightfully to come up with a way to
allow the residential non-conforming use to continue because it should have
been removed 40 years ago; it is unfair to the rest of the development
community; sees it as a solution, not a burden; and Thompson was in favor of
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staff's recommendation.
Mason Mason commended staff on their thoughtful approach to addressing an issue
that has been long-standing and also looking at it from the context in the
needs of the community; providing an opportunity to create some historic
preservation in the city; commended the applicant for taking the time to keep
the property updated and to keep it part of the commercial property; Mason
was also in favor of staff's recommendation.
Lumbard Per Lumbard, the most important period of time was in 2011 when the
applicant entered into an agreement with the City to remove the residential
structure within five (5) years and the applicant did not do so by 2016. He
reiterated that the conditions stated to take "all necessary steps to make the
property commercial or remove the residential structure" which did not occur.
Lumbard added that from March 2016 to December 2017 the City has allowed
the residential use to continue and the CUP that has been presented to the
Commission is a "very productive compromise" protecting City goals of
historic structures, low to moderate income housing; the proposed resolution
is a "middle ground"; commended staff for working with the applicant; and he
is in support of the project.
Kozak Kozak's comments generally included: he commended staff and agreed with
the comments his fellow Commissioners made; thoughtful approach done by
staff to settle a long standing issue; agreed the low and moderate housing is
as important as the historic preservation; agreement is necessary for the
preservation of the affordable housing, although it is not a requirement that
the particular use be maintained; and he is also in favor of staff's
recommendation.
Motion. It was moved by Lumbard, seconded by Thompson to adopt Resolution No.
4351, as amended. Motion carried 5-0.
Binsack Binsack stated, for the record, that it is an appealable item to the City Council
with the appeal period being ten (10) days to the City Clerk's Office.
None. REGULAR BUSINESS
STAFF CONCERNS:
Binsack Binsack reminded the Commission of an email Dove sent to them requesting
information for the CLG report due to the CLG Program. "Merry Christmas and
Happy Holidays!" She looks forward to working with the Commission in 2018.
COMMISSION CONCERNS:
Mason Mason thanked the former Mayor Bernstein and Mayor Pro Tem Puckett for their
service. She congratulated the newly appointed Mayor Al Murry and Mayor Pro
Tem Beckie Gomez and thanked staff for their hard work. "Happy holidays!"
Lumbard Lumbard voiced his concern with there being no cross walk near the Tustin
Family Youth Center (Sycamore/Newport) where children and residents cross
frequently. He asked Binsack to discuss the concern with the Public Works
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Department to ensure it is safe to cross. Lumbard attended the following events:
• 12/5 Mayoral Changeover — Congratulations to Mayor Murray and
Mayor Pro Tem Gomez!
• 12/8 Tustin's Christmas Tree Lighting
• 12/11 Tustin Youth & Family Center's 20th Anniversary Celebration
Lumbard thanked staff and the Commission for the last year and he wished
everyone "Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays".
Thompson Thompson echoed favorable comments towards staff and wished everyone a
"Merry Christmas". He attended the following events:
• 12/1 He completed the ULI mentorship program
• 12/5 Mayoral Changeover - Congratulations Mayor Murray and Mayor
Pro Tem Gomez!
• 12/11 Tustin Youth & Family Center's 20th Anniversary Celebration
• 12/12 OCTA Bicycle Pedestrian Workshop
Kozak Kozak concurred with Lumbard's concern with regards to the pedestrian cross
walk at Sycamore/Newport. He added that at the northwest corner there is
already a handicap ramp installed. Kozak congratulated Mayor Murray and
Mayor Pro Tem Gomez and thanked our former Mayor Bernstein for his
dedication to the community. He also commended staff for their hard work and
looks forward to working with staff in the next year. Kozak attended the following
events:
• 12/5 Mayoral Changover
• 12/8 Tustin's Christmas Tree Lighting
• 12/11 Tustin Youth & Family Center's 20th Anniversary
"Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!"
Smith Smith was very thankful for staff and for our former Mayor Bernstein's leadership
and to Mayor Murray for his future leadership! He was also thankful for the Old
Town as a "backdrop for photo art"! "Happy holidays everyone!"
8:31 p.m. ADJOURNMENT:
The next regular meeting of the Planning Commission is scheduled for
Tuesday, January 9, 2018, at 7:00 p.m. in the Council Chamber at 300
Centennial Way.
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