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7:03 p.m.
Given
All present
Staff present
None
Approved
Director
Continued to
December 13, 2004,
Planning Commission
meeting
MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING
TUSTIN PLANNING COMMISSION
OCTOBER 25, 2004
CALL TO ORDER
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
ROLL CALL
Elizabeth Binsack, Community Development Director
Greg Simonian, Deputy City Attorney
Doug Anderson, Senior Project Manager-Transportation
Karen Peterson, Senior Planner
Chat Ortlieb, Associate Planner
Justina Willkom, Associate Planner
Eloise Harris, Recording Secretary
PUBLIC CONCERNS
CONSENT CALENDAR
1.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 27, 2004,
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
It was moved by Pontious, seconded by Menard, to approve
the Consent Calendar. Motion carried 5-0.
Introduced Greg Simonian, Deputy City Attorney, who attended
the meeting in Doug Holland's absence.
PUBLIC HEARING
2.
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 04-011 AND DESIGN
REVIEW 04-009 REQUESTING USE OF A 2,490
SQUARE FOOT TEMPORARILY PERMITTED
MODULAR BUILDING AS A PERMANENT
CLASSROOM BUILDING AND TO CONSTRUCT A
5,950 SQUARE FOOT FREE-STANDING TWO-
STORY OFFICE AND MEETING ROOM BUILDING
FOR THE CHURCH. THE PROJECT IS LOCATED
AT 1301 SYCAMORE AVENUE IN THE PUBLIC AND
INSTITUTIONAL (P&I) ZONING DISTRICT.
RECOMMENDATION:
That the Planning Commission approve Conditional
Use Permit 04-011 and Design Review 04-009 by
adopting Resolution No. 3935.
Minutes -Planning Commission October 25, 2004 - Page 1
7:06 p.m.
Ortlieb
Nielsen
Director
Nielsen
Floyd
Ortlieb
Director
Nielsen
Aric Gless, of Gless
Architects, representing
the applicant
Nielsen
Mr. Gless
The Public Hearing opened.
Presented the staff report, pointing out certain revisions that
were provided at the dais.
Asked if staff wanted to make any comments pertinent to the
revisions.
Referred to the letter from Mary and Don Brockschmidt dated
May 27, 2004, which was not included in the report, but was
being provided to the Planning Commissioners and is
incorporated herein by reference; and, indicated she would
provide further comments after the Commissioners read the
letter.
Suggested that the Commissioners present their questions to
the staff.
Asked for the location of the property.
Pointed out the location on the PowerPoint slide.
Referred to issues raised in the letter; stated the two-story
proposal is 13% feet from the back fence and is actually
located 10 feet 6 inches from the property line and is 30 feet in
height; Condition 3.1 states the north face of the second story
windows would be sand-blasted glass with anti-framing and
would be opaque and not allow anyone inside to have a view
from the second story offices.
Indicted the airplane noise and property value items are difficult
issues to address.
Noted that Mr. Brockschmidt wished to make a presentation.
Invited the applicant to the podium.
Stated staff did a very good job describing the project, and he
was available to answer any questions the Planning
Commission might have.
Asked if there were any long-term plans to replace the modular
building with a permanent one.
Answered that the only plan for the modular is to keep it as it is
and continue its use; the modular has been very well
maintained, well landscaped, and looks much better than when
installed.
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Floyd
Mr. Gless
Nielsen
Mr. Gless
Menard
Mr. Gless
Nielsen
Mr. Gless
Nielsen
Don Brockschmidt,
14702 Charloma Drive
Director
Asked if the modular originally was intended to be a temporary
situation.
Stated that was the original intention, but the building has been
kept up so well that continuing it as permanent seemed the
logical thing to do.
Questioned whether or not the activities that take place in the
modular building could take place in the new building.
Answered that the numbers of people involved necessitate the
additional space; the ministries in the parish are growing and
require more places to meet; moving the office staff from the
current space into the new building also became necessary
due to the need for more meeting places.
Asked for information regarding the specific use of the modular.
Indicated that the modular is primarily a classroom building.
Asked if there was ever discussion of creating a one-story
rather than a two-story building.
Stated that the size was dictated by the space required; the
two-story building provides better land use; one story would
cause the loss of too many parking spaces.
Invited any other parties involved to come forward.
Indicated the home where he and his wife have lived for thirty
years is next to the priests' house; noted his wife is a
parishioner of St. Cecelia's and active in the Church; noted he
opposes this project which would be very close to his back
yard; presented a photo showing an existing office building that
is 20 feet from his property line and not in back of the priests'
house; showed a view that was not presented in the staff slide
show of the existing two-story gymnasium building and how it
looks from his neighbor's home; suggested that no one would
appreciate such a building in one's "back yard"; asked where
the utility easement begins and whether or not the Tustin Code
provides buffer zones between residential and non-residential
buildings; indicated this structure will diminish his property
values; and, requested that the Planning Commission deny this
application.
Stated there is no buffer zone in the Public and Institutional
zone; there are no set standards regarding buffer zones for this
district; those standards are established by the Planning
Commission and subject to the Commission's discretion; staff
is unaware of the utility easement, but it may be on the
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Nielsen
Mr. Gless
Nielsen
Mr. Gless
Don Studebaker,
1363 Sycamore
Mr. Brockschmidt
Nielsen
Lee
Ortlieb
Mr. Brockschmidt
adjacent property; there would be no setback requirement
imposed on the church; property values are an unknown factor;
an appraiser would be required to determine any effect the
proposed development may have on the surrounding property
values; the letter received from Mr. and Mrs. Brockschmidt in
May was taken into consideration through the planning process
and was discussed with the architect; staff recommended to
the architect that the building be either relocated on the
property or setback, that a single story be provided closer to
the residences and the two-story structure closer to the interior
portion of the church property; this is a discretionary review
before the Planning Commission; the Planning Commission
may approve, conditionally approve, or deny the proposal.
Asked if the applicant would like to address any of the issues.
Stated that the building will straddle part of the parish rectory
property; the view shown by Mr. Brockschmidt did not show the
mature trees along the back of the residential properties which
would partially screen the view from the building; the glazing on
the windows would inhibit any view into the residential area; the
parking lot cannot be used for this building due to the loss of
required parking spaces; the location chosen seemed the best
one for new construction; the setbacks, heights, and use
comply with the City's zoning ordinance and the California
Building Code.
Asked if the second story use will be all office and meeting
rooms.
Indicated the second story primarily consists of meeting rooms.
Stated he had no problem with the building; his concern is the
parking, which already creates a problem for access into and
out of his driveway on Sundays between 8:00 a.m. and 1 :00
p.m.
Asked if there is an easement and where it is located.
Suggested that staff will provide that information.
Asked for clarification of the height limit.
Answered the height limit would be established by the Planning
Commission; and, added there is a 10 foot easement along the
Church's property line.
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Asked if that 10 foot easement complies with the Code; and, if
so, could a building actually be built within half a foot of that
easement.
Minutes - October 25, 2004 Planning Commission - Page 4
Ortlieb
7:43 p.m.
Pontious
Director
Commissioners
Mr. Gless
Pontious
Floyd
Mr. Gless
Director
Menard
Director
Nielsen
Floyd
Answered in the affirmative.
The Public Hearing closed.
Stated the issues that were brought up require more
information; suggested that a light and shadow study would be
appropriate; and, asked that this item be continued in order for
staff to consider the impacts of the project.
Asked if such a continuance was the consensus of the
Commission; and, suggested the applicant would probably
need at least a month to fulfill the requests placed before him.
Answered in the affirmative; and, asked that the item be placed
on the agenda for the first meeting in December.
Asked for clarification regarding exactly what the Commission
is asking him to do.
Answered that the architect should provide a light and shadow
study and also provide alternative sites for the building
indicating the constraints involved in such sites.
Asked if the structure could be placed at the parking lot location
behind the priests' home and make the building longer.
Stated the walkway from the parking lot would be accented
with trees and shrubs and keep the building as close as
possible to that access; having the cars closer to the street
would be preferable to having cars between the buildings.
Asked that the Planning Commission provide general direction
for the applicant.
Stated the modular building was proposed as a temporary
building to be removed in December 2000; he cannot support
allowing that building as a permanent structure; the applicant is
in violation of the original conditional use permit; allowing this
building to remain will set a precedent for other churches to
come back to the Planning Commission with similar requests.
Asked that the Commission go through their comments before
any rebuttal from the applicant's representative.
Asked the Commissioners if they agreed with Commissioner
Menard's position regarding the modular structure.
Stated he is on record regarding setting such a precedent.
Minutes - October 25, 2004 Planning Commission - Page 5
Pontious
Lee
Nielsen
Pontious
Director
Nielsen
Pontious
Adopted Resolution
No. 3936
Willkom
Indicated that setting a precedent is something the
Commission needs to consider.
Suggested that perhaps there is a way to integrate the existing
building with the proposed structure, which could possibly be
accomplished by moving the location nearer to the existing
building.
Asked if the modular building could be permitted as temporary
with a plan to remove it sometime in the future.
Indicated the only way would be to accept the temporary use
with a time certain when the use would be discontinued.
Stated that a re-inspection may be required; the facility was to
be discontinued about four years ago; staff does not know if the
structure has been modified or re-inspected by the State or
whether or not it currently meets the appropriate safety
standards; the use was to be discontinued as of this date.
Recapped the Commission's concerns as follows:
. The light and shadow study.
. The easement concern.
. Alternate placement of the new building and concern
with modular building becoming permanent.
Moved that this item be continued to the Planning
Commission's first meeting in December, seconded by Floyd.
Motion carried 5-0.
3.
2003-04 GENERAL PLAN ANNUAL REPORT.
California State Law requires each City to adopt a
comprehensive, long-term general plan for its physical
development and any land outside its boundaries which
bears a relationship to its planning activities. As a
blueprint for the future, the plan contains policies and
programs designed to provide decision makers with a
solid basis for land use related decisions.
RECOMMENDATION:
That the Planning Commission adopt Resolution No.
3936 recommending that the City Council adopt the
2003-04 Annual Report on the Status of the Tustin
General Plan.
Presented the staff report.
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Menard
Willkom
Nielsen
Willkom
Continued to a date
to be determined
Director
Peterson
Floyd
Asked how many residents are participating in the Mills Act.
Responded there are six properties currently involved in the
Mills Act program.
Asked regarding Goal 12 what is meant by "maintain a semi-
rural low density character of North Tustin."
Indicated that North Tustin is part of the City's sphere of
influence but not part of the City's jurisdiction.
It was moved by Floyd, seconded by Pontious, to adopt
Resolution No. 3936. Motion carried 5-0.
4.
DENSITY BONUS WORKSHOP.
The workshop is intended to provide the Planning
Commission with an overview of how the incentives for
the development of affordable housing and the density
bonus law applies to the City of Tustin. Staff will
provide a PowerPoint presentation at the meeting.
Stated the workshop needed to be continued due to recent
State legislation that will modify the operation of density
bonuses in the State of California; the local ordinance also may
need modification to be consistent with State law; the City
Attorney and staff will be investigating how the new legislation
will impact the local ordinance and report back to the Planning
Commission.
5.
PROJECT SUMMARY.
The summary focuses on the status of projects that
the Planning Commission, Zoning Administrator, or
Community Development Director approved, major
improvement projects, and other items of interest.
Noted there are a number of projects in the grading stage (i.e.
Heritage Plaza on First Street and the Barn site at Edinger and
Newport Avenue); pointed out the Gateway Business Park,
which is the second half of the Steelcase site and is in the
framing stage-265,OOO square foot office and industrial
development; showed the progress on the Tustin Ranch Golf
course, a 6,000 square foot banquet facility extension, and the
completed Pacific Business Center on Woodlawn at Edinger;
and, indicated that construction will begin November 1st on the
widening project at Newport and Irvine Boulevard.
Asked what is happening with Trader Joe's.
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Peterson
Nielsen
Anderson
Nielsen
Anderson
Director
Director reported
Answered that Trader Joe's is doing their tenant improvements.
Referred to flyers on the City's Web site regarding the Irvine
and Newport expansion and the Red Hill expansion; noted
there was an Open House at the Senior Center on October 20th
for the Irvine and Newport expansion; and, asked if there was
also an Open House for the Red Hill expansion.
Indicated the contract for the Red Hill expansion was awarded
in August 2003; there was an Open House at that time.
Asked if Mr. Anderson attended the most recent Open House.
Answered in the negative but offered to provide information
from that event; indicated that mostly business owners
attended; and, noted concerns were heard from the owners of
Tustin Brewery regarding the loss of the temporary parking on
the street that serves the facility.
Stated the commercial development for Prospect Village has
been received into plan check; that portion should begin during
the first quarter of 2005; the residential portion of the project
will follow.
STAFF CONCERNS
6.
REPORT OF ACTIONS TAKEN AT THE OCTOBER 4
AND OCTOBER 18, 2004, CITY COUNCIL
MEETINGS.
The City Council approved the Disposition and Development
Agreement for a Town Center Redevelopment project,
consolidating two parcels on which Makena Great American
Newport Company proposes to construct a 7,400 square foot
one-story retail commercial building at the southwest corner of
Newport Avenue and EI Camino Real; this is the former Tustin
Transmission and Caltrans property; this proposal will be
brought to the Planning Commission in the near future.
Noted there had been interest expressed in a County island
located in the vicinity of 1th Street and Tustin Avenue; the
Planning Commission asked that the item be placed on a
future agenda; members of the public also presented this item
of interest before the City Council; the item was continued to
the Council's second meeting in November; when staff reports
back to the City Council, a report will be provided to the
Planning Commission.
Minutes - October 25, 2004 Planning Commission - Page 8
Floyd
Pontious
Director
Commissioners
Menard
Lee
Nielsen
COMMISSION CONCERNS
Thanked staff for tonight's presentations.
Reminded everyone to vote next Tuesday.
Reminded everyone that the Dino Dash takes place November
7; and, encouraged everyone to attend.
Noted he recently saw a line around the corner at CompUSA
and was glad to see the location is open and doing good
business.
Stated that Best Buy will be opening November 10, 2004, and
encouraged community support of that location.
Thanked staff for the summary of projects.
Requested timelines for the development of The Legacy similar
to those provided during the buildout of Tustin Ranch.
Indicated the Redevelopment Agency has been preparing
monthly reports; as the negotiations for the business plan with
the master developer progress, those reports can be provided
to the Commission.
Asked if the Planning Commissioners were aware of the
workshop scheduled at 4:30 p.m. before the Council meeting
on November 1, 2004.
Answered in the affirmative.
Stated that Dino Dash is a very good cause.
Suggested the recreational trail currently going through Tustin
Legacy between Harvard Park and Barranca be connected
from Portola all the way to the Back Bay; and, asked that this
item be added to the timeline.
Announced that Thursday, October 28, at 7:00 p.m., the Tustin
Unified School District Coordinating Council and the Tustin
PT A Council will host a School Board candidates' forum at
Columbus Tustin Middle School.
Stated he had nothing to add to the other Commissioners'
comments.
Noted that Tiller Days was a success and a good time was had
by all.
Minutes - October 25, 2004 Planning Commission - Page 9
Nielsen continued
Thanked staff for the summary of projects.
Noted the passing of Stephen Whitehill who was a prominent
Tustin High School supporter; he died last Sunday at the age of
47; he was a benefit to the community and will be missed.
Thanked Greg Simonian for sitting in for Doug Holland who is
on vacation; and, thanked staff for the presentations.
8:17 p.m.
ADJOURNMENT:
It was moved by Floyd, seconded by Menard, to adjourn the
meeting. Motion carried 5-0.
The next regular meeting of the Planning Commission is
scheduled for Monday, November 8, 2004, at 7:00 p.m. in the
Clifton Miller Community Center at 300 C nial W. .
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Elizabeth A. Binsack
Planning Commission Secretary
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