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7:02 p.m.
Given
Staff present
Michele Young,
200 South A
Street,Tustin
Approved
ITEM #1
MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING
TUSTIN PLANNING COMMISSION
MARCH 13, 2007
CALL TO ORDER
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
ROLL CALL
Present:
Chair Floyd
Chair Pro Tem Puckett
Commissioner Kozak, Lee, and Nielsen
Elizabeth Binsack, Community Development Director
Doug Holland, City Attorney
David Kendig, Deputy City Attorney
Dana Ogdon, Assistant Community Development Director
Terry Lutz, Principal Engineer
Scott Reekstin, Senior Planner
Justina Willkom, Senior Planner
Minoo Ashabi, Associate Planner
Eloise Harris, Recording Secretary
PUBLIC CONCERNS
Thanked the Planning Commissioners for their responsiveness
and support during her appeal process regarding an ancillary
structure on her property and the proposed use of fibercement
siding.
CONSENT CALENDAR
1.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - FEBRUARY 26, 2007,
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
2. 2007 GENERAL PLAN ANNUAL REPORT
California State Law requires each city to adopt a
comprehensive, long-term general plan for its physical
development and any land outside its boundaries which
bears a relationship to its planning activities. Section
65400(b) of the Govemment Code requires that the City's
planning agency provide an annual report to the City Council
on the status of the General Plan and progress in its
implementation.
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Continued to
March 27, 2007,
Planning
Commission
Meeting
Kozak
Reekstin
Adopted Resolution 4.
Nos. 4053, 4054
(as amended), and
4055 (as amended)
RECOMMENDATION:
That the Planning Commission review and authorize staff to
forward the Annual Report on the Status of the Tustin
General Plan to the City Council for consideration.
It was moved by Puckett, seconded by Nielsen, to approve the
Consent Calendar. Motion carried 5-0.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
3.
CONTINUED APPEAL OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
DIRECTOR'S DECISION THAT THE PROPOSED USE AT
15201 WOODLAWN AVENUE FOR SOLID WASTE AND
RECYCLING SERVICES, INCLUDING THE GARAGING
AND MAINTENANCE OF REFUSE COLLECTION
VEHICLES, IS NOT A PERMITTED USE PURSUANT TO
THE PACIFIC CENTER EAST SPECIFIC PLAN.
RECOMMENDATION:
That the Planning Commission continue the public hearing
to the March 27, 2007, Planning Commission meeting.
Stated he understood the concerns raised in the letter from the
tenant adjacent to the proposed project site; and, asked if the
Planning Commission will be considering the original proposal or an
alternative proposal at the March 27 meeting.
Answered that the Commission will be considering the original
proposal.
TENTATIVE TRACT MAP 17080 AND DESIGN REVIEW
06-011 AS FOLLOWS: 1) TENTATIVE TRACT MAP 17080
TO MERGE TWO EXISTING PARCELS DEVELOPED
WITH 57 APARTMENT UNITS INTO ONE 4-ACRE
PARCEL FOR THE PURPOSE OF SUBDIVIDING AND
DEVELOPING A 75-UNIT RESIDENTIAL CONDOMINIUM
PROJECT, AND 2) DESIGN REVIEW 06-011 FOR
APPROVAL OF BUILDING ARCHITECTURE AND SITE
DESIGN AND AMENITIES OF THE CONDOMINIUM
PROJECT. THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED AT 14421-
14471 RED HILL AVENUE IN THE MULTIPLE-FAMILY
RESIDENTIAL (R-3) ZONING DISTRICT.
RECOMMENDATION:
That the Planning Commission:
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1. Adopt Resolution No. 4053 adopting the Mitigated Negative
Declaration (MND) as adequate for Tentative Tract Map
17080 and Design Review 06-011 for development of the
proposed 75-unit residential condominium project.
2. Adopt Resolution No. 4054 approving Design Review 06-
011 for architectural/site design and amenities of the
proposed condominium project.
3. Adopt Resolution No. 4055 recommending that the City
Council adopt the MND for Tentative Tract Map 17080 and
Design Review 06-011 and approve Tentative Tract Map
17080 to merge two existing parcels into a 4-acre (net area)
site for the purpose of subdividing and developing 75
residential condominium units.
7:07 p.m.
The Public Hearing opened.
Ashabi
Presented the staff report, noting that a few typographical
corrections were provided to the Commission before the meeting.
Floyd
Asked if any public input had been received other than the Orange
County Transit Authority (aCTA) letter that was provided.
Ashabi
Answered in the negative.
Floyd
Asked if there was any acknowledgement of receipt of the letter of
response dated March 8, 2007.
Ashabi
Indicated the letter was e-mailed and a hard copy mailed, and no
further comments have been received from aCTA.
Nielsen
Asked if access on Red Hill north and south might be an issue; and,
requested clarification of how the parameters might be measured.
Ashabi
Stated that the traffic analysis referred to the current conditions
when the project would be implemented; the left turn would be
allowed in the future.
Nielsen
Asked if left-hand turn pockets would be provided for access into
the project.
Ashabi
Deferred that question to the Traffic Engineer.
Lutz
Noted that the report indicates that the number of left turns into the
project would be adequate in both directions; this would be required
for the striping plan when the improvements on Red Hill are
designed.
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Nielsen
Asked what the distance might be from the turn pocket to the
intersection.
Lutz
Indicated he was not sure of the exact distance, but there is more
than adequate distance for the number of cars anticipated for left
turns both south- and northbound.
Nielsen
Stated his concern was not related to turning left out of the project
but more the left-hand northbound turning into the project.
Lutz
Indicated that during the design process it was noted that the
driveway should be moved as far north as possible in order to
accommodate that left turn.
Nielsen
Asked, regarding the 2020 reference, what future projects are
planned for Red Hill and Walnut to improve the circulation in that
area.
Ashabi
Indicated the improvements include a traffic signal.
Lutz
Stated that Red Hill will be a major arterial, six-lane facility with no
parking on either side; it is anticipated that improvements on Red
Hill involve a Capital Improvement Project and may include raised
medians; the signal operation would include a protected left tum all
around as opposed to the protective permissive left turns that exist
today and have caused a bit of a problem from an operational
standpoint.
Nielsen
Asked what the parking restrictions are expected to be along Red
Hill and Walnut.
Lutz
Indicated there will definitely be limitations on Red Hill and probably
on Walnut.
Nielsen
Asked if that is an ongoing study.
Lutz
Answered the Red Hill study is current and action is anticipated
within the next year regarding parking restrictions.
Nielsen
Questioned whether or not the traffic analysis was weighted based
on The Legacy being fully developed and the daily trips taken into
consideration.
Lutz
Answered in the affirmative.
Lee
Asked how the on-site parking will relate to the trash plan and
whether or not a different waste plan was considered; during the
24-hour period, perhaps half the parking spots would be occupied
by trash cans.
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Floyd
Asked if the residents would be placing their trash cans next to the
garage and someone else delivering the cans to one of the eleven
proposed stalls.
Ashabi
Answered that an employee of the association would be relocating
the trash carts from the alleys to the designated parking areas and
returning the trash cans upon collection.
Floyd
Asked for clarification regarding the location of the eleven bins at
the end of the collection phase.
Ashabi
Stated the trash cans will be returned to the spaces in front of the
garages.
Floyd
Requested more information regarding the eleven larger collection
areas.
Ashabi
Indicated that these will be residential carts, one for waste and one
for recycling.
Director
Added that the trash cans will be individual and no large bins will
serve the facility.
Floyd
Asked if the waste management company would be going to each
unit to pick up the can.
Director
Answered in the negative; the trucks will pick up waste from the
eleven duel-use stalls.
Floyd
Asked what will be in the eleven stalls.
Director
Responded that on trash day the bins will be in the stalls.
Floyd
Stated he had never heard of an HOA employee, only board
members.
Ashabi
Indicated that this person would be a permanent employee hired by
the property management company; and, added that the option of
large trash enclosures were considered at the beginning of the
process and would have been located at the terminus of each alley;
because of the traffic impacts with trash pickups, the alternative
plan was chosen.
Floyd
Asked if this was suggested by City staff.
Ashabi
Answered that the alternate plan was proposed by the applicant.
Nielsen
Stated his understanding that those stalls will have no parking on
trash collection day when the receptacles are placed in the stalls; at
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the end of the day the employee will return the receptacles which
will allow parking in the stalls.
Floyd
Asked if there would be a Plan B if this does not work.
Director
Stated the project involves a limited number of units, and the
residents will be able to work with the waste hauler to schedule the
time at which the trash is picked up; the residents may have to pay
more for trash hauling services to be able to accomplish this
proposal.
Lee
Referred to the removal of the reference to the MCAS Tustin
Specific Plan.
Ashabi
Verified that the above reference in the document was a
typographical error.
Lee
Asked if the roof material will be terracotta.
Ashabi
Confirmed that the roof material will be s-tiIe terracotta.
Kozak
Asked if the project site runoff referred to in Condition 4.5 of
Resolution No. 4054 will be allowed to enter the storm drain or be
released onto Walnut or Red Hill after it is treated; there are storm
drains in the streets to which runoff should be connected.
Ashabi
Responded that the applicant will be required to submit a Water
Quality Management Plan; the runoff would have to be treated
before being released into the street system.
Kozak
Stated that he understood that but, once the water is treated, asked
for clarification whether the water would be directly released into
the storm drain or into the storm drain by way of the street.
Floyd
Suggested perhaps that was a question for the applicant.
Kozak
Noted that the conditions of approval allow a left-hand tum from the
project site onto Red Hill perhaps being prohibited in the future if
determined necessary which allows flexibility in future planning;
also, it would be his opinion that a raised landscape median should
be continued on Red Hill; in the traffic analysis a section looks at
aspects of adding a protected left-hand turn pocket on northbound
Red Hill into the project, but this has not been included as a
condition of approval and should be; Red Hill is a very busy street,
with 20,000+ vehicles per day and 16,000 on Walnut; it seems that
making left-hand turns will be very difficult both out of the project
and into the project off Red Hill.
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Director
Kozak
Lutz
Puckett
Floyd
Jim Magstadt,
SunCal-Red Hill
LLC
Floyd
Mr. Magstadt
Floyd
Mr. Magstadt
Floyd
Mr. Magstadt
Floyd
Suggested the following language be included as part of Condition
4.1: "Said improvement plan shall include all recommendations
and mitigation measures included in the Traffic Study prepared for
the project and attached to the Mitigated Negative Declaration."
Indicated that adding that language would address his concerns.
Asked whether Condition 4.10 means that on-street parking will be
restricted along the project frontage along both Walnut and Red
Hill.
Answered that on-street parking will be restricted along the property
frontage; this can be addressed in the improvement plan at which
time the striping of the left-turn pockets can also be addressed.
Commented that he believes the residents will adapt to the waste
management plan, which will include signage and enforcement
regulations.
Invited the applicant to the lectern.
Presented a PowerPoint show describing the project; and,
introduced his team.
Asked what will happen with the overflow if there are more than two
cars per unit and whether or not the CC&Rs are written to prohibit
more than two cars per unit.
Answered that the HOA will require that two cars be parked in the
garage; a third car would require a sticker; if that third car is on the
street for over a certain period of time, the car could be towed; the
guest stalls are geared so that guests may only park for a limited
time period.
Verified that the units have no garage driveway; this may create a
problem for homeowners who have third cars and want to use the
guest parking; and, asked if there will be overnight street parking in
the project.
Stated there are 3.4 stalls per units.
Asked for clarification regarding parking on the street.
Indicated that street parking will be restricted by the City.
Clarified that he was referring to on-street parking inside the project.
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Mr. Magstadt
Nielsen
David Hewitt,
Southland Realty
Group
Nielsen
Mr. Hewitt
Puckett
Ms. Sully, The
Sully Group
Floyd
Answered that there will be guest parking along the street
throughout the community.
Thanked the applicant for the presentation and everyone else who
was in attendance.
Asked if the construction will take place in two phases and what the
time frame might be.
Stated that once approvals are obtained for building permits, it will
take approximately eight to ten weeks to demolish the existing
project; the estimate would be 12 to 14 months for construction of
all 75 units.
Noted the information provided indicates 120-day notice to the
existing tenants and free rent for the final month; and, asked if that
plan has changed at all.
Replied in the negative; and, added that under state and federal law
the builder has an obligation to give 60 days notice to vacate a unit;
all the tenants are presently on 30-day month-to-month leases; the
tenants have been met with, receive periodic progress reports, and
will receive a $500 moving allowance.
Stated he is excited about this wonderful project.
Stated her firm is part of the team and referred to the following
changes to the conditions of approval.
· Resolution 4054, Condition 4.10: suggested that parking
should not be a condition of approval on this project. It is up
to the City to implement parking restrictions.
· Resolution 4055, Condition 1.8: asked that the clause "or
issuance of a grading permit" be omitted from the condition.
· Resolution 4055, Condition 2.3: asked that the following
language be added in the middle of the paragraph. "Any
damage to the existing improvements within the construction
easement caused by the City's construction shall be
restored to its original condition at the City's expense."
Noted that, with the minor changes above, the applicant agrees to
all the conditions of approval.
Invited anyone else who wished to speak to come forward.
Matt Nisson, Stated he had no objections to the project but had concerns
14462 Red Hill Ave. regarding the closure of the Walnut driveway; adding 342 daily trips
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Ed Eloe, 1542
Copperfield
Ashley Vikander,
14412 Grassmere
Lane
Mr. Nisson
Ms. Vikander
8:19 p.m.
Director
to Red Hill as a result of closing that Walnut driveway will create a
larger traffic nightmare; the parking is also a concern in view of the
project changing from the original plan of two bedroom units for
empty-nesters and young professionals to 50 units with three
bedrooms; he visited the SunCal project in Fullerton, which is very
attractive, but parking is a very large problem with cars on all the
side streets and no vacant spaces anywhere.
Indicated that the apartments already existing on Red Hill have
been using Copperfield for overnight parking; the tenants from the
proposed project parking along Copperfield will exacerbate the
problem; the existing residents are very concerned about the
expected increase of on-street parking; because Copperfield will be
aligned with the entry point of this project, people will also use
Copperfield as an access street to get into the project.
Stated the parking in the neighborhood is a huge concern and will
be seriously impacted by the on-street parking prohibition on Red
Hill; thanked the developers for meeting with residents and
responding to their concerns in many ways; indicated that her
concerns relate more to the chemicals and security during
construction and the construction fencing behind her house; it
would be good if the block fence could go up first to provide more
protection to the residents and their pets; and, asked what the City
regulations are for construction hours; stated the building height is
still a concern but the reduction was appreciated; privacy is still a
concern regarding the windows; thanked the Commission for
allowing her to speak tonight.
Asked what assurances there would be that the garages be used
only for parking cars and what penalties would be assessed for
noncompliance.
Added that there is a post-construction concern regarding the sun
and shade study; the current landscaping in her backyard is built to
optimize the sun and shade; there will be a significant impact on the
landscaping that may require homeowners to re-Iandscape at
considerable expense.
The Public Hearing closed.
Suggested that staff address the concerns expressed as follows:
· The language suggested for Resolution No. 4054, Condition
4.1, would be acceptable.
· Language could be added to Condition 4.5 as follows: "On-
site flow shall be diverted into an approved storm drain
subject to review and approval by the City Engineer."
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· Condition 4.10 could be eliminated and "left blank
intentionally" inserted; the parking restrictions on Red Hill
and Walnut would be shown on the street improvement
plans.
· Resolution No. 4055, page 5, J3 stating that "residents shall
not store or park any non-motorized vehicles, trailers,
motorized vehicles that exceed ..." is meant to ensure that
residents park only their cars in their garages.
Floyd
Suggested in response to Mr. Nisson's concern that the HOA would
be responsible for making sure that residents' cars are parked in
their garages or charged with a violation of their CC&Rs and the
conditions of approval.
Holland
Stated the language suggested regarding Condition 2.3 would be
acceptable with the addition of "solely," i.e. "the damage caused
solely by the City."
Director
Referred to Condition 1.8 and the Southern California Edison
easement; City staff would be amenable to modifying that condition
of approval as long as the easement would not impede issuance of
the grading permit; if recordation of the map would solve that, staff
would be willing to eliminate that language.
Stated that construction hour concerns should be addressed to the
Community Development Department's Building Division; pre-
construction meetings provide information regarding construction
hours and construction hours are posted on-site; there are times
when the hours may be waived; adjacent neighboring properties
would be noticed regarding any such waiver.
Regarding the fencing, the developer should work with the
neighboring development to coordinate the construction.
The developer worked at great length with the City regarding the
window design, and staff asks that the Commission approve what is
before them this evening; if someone were to request a window
change in the future and the HOA approved it, that would meet the
City ordinance and a permit would be issued.
Floyd
Agreed that it is not possible to dictate what might happen in the
futu re.
Nielsen
Asked for reiteration of the left-turn pocket language in Condition
4.1 of Resolution No. 4054.
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Director
Reread the modification as follows: "Said improvement plan shall
include all recommendations and mitigation measures included in
the Traffic Study prepared for the project and attached to the
Mitigated Negative Declaration."
Floyd
Asked the Traffic Engineer to address the residents' concerns
regarding the removal of the Walnut entrance.
Lutz
Responded that two entrances can present operational problems;
the Orange County Fire authority indicated one access would not
be an issue in terms of emergency vehicle access.
Floyd
Suggested that most projects in the City have only one entrance.
Lutz
Added that capacity stacking will be provided on Red Hill and
stacking within the project will be a matter of metering onto Red Hill.
Nielsen
Stated he lives in that area of town and during rush hour traffic
stacks up in many locations on Red Hill.
Lutz
Agreed that there may occasions when traffic impedes travel, but it
was determined this project would not make an impact during the
peak hours.
Puckett
Asked for a staff response to the concerns of the neighbors
regarding mitigation of parking on Copperfield.
Lutz
Stated that staff has been considering permit parking along
Copperfield and other streets in order to protect those residents
from the Red Hill parking restriction impacts.
Floyd
Reiterated that, if there is no restriction on the number of cars a
homeowner may have within that project, the overflow will wind up
in the surrounding residential areas.
Nielsen
Added that the larger issue involves existing parking problems in
that part of the City.
Lutz
Indicated that Newport Avenue is also being studied regarding
parking restrictions.
Added it was discovered during the parking study along Red Hill
that the apartments adjacent to Copperfield apparently have
adequate on-site parking but are parking on Copperfield for
convenience; permits on Copperfield would force those people to
use their on-site parking.
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Nielsen
Lutz
Kozak
Floyd
Mr. Magstadt
Floyd
Mr. Magstadt
Lee
Mr. Magstadt
Nielsen
Kozak
Indicated that Copperfield has an issue with the high-density on
both sides of the street and also the cutting through Copperfield to
avoid the signal at Walnut and Red Hill; and, asked if that issue was
considered.
Stated the cut-through traffic was not analyzed as much as the
parking issue; cut-through happens in all cities; staff discourages it;
the way to accomplish some mitigation in this case would be to
make the signal at Red Hill and Walnut more efficient, including re-
striping dual left-turn lanes from westbound Walnut to southbound
Red Hill.
Noted that those recommendations are discussed in the Traffic
Study.
Invited Mr. Magstadt back to the lectern to address Ms. Vikander's
issue regarding the setback on her backyard property.
Stated that the developer has maximized the setback in order to
develop the property; the fencing and landscaping are the first
things put in; a temporary fence will be put in before the concrete
block is built; the block wall will be an improvement over the
existing wood fences.
Asked if the developer would work with the homeowners in this
regard.
Answered in the affirmative; the temporary fencing also will be
secure in terms of pets and children.
Asked if the developer had considered putting trash cans in front of
the garages rather than have them collected into the parking stalls.
Stated the developer tried to make it convenient for the residents;
this procedure will be more organized and eliminate the problem of
neighborhoods not having cans collected promptly and put in place;
the transfer of the cans to the stalls and back to the homes is not a
job that will be hard to fill.
Congratulated the developer on an aesthetically pleasing project
that will upgrade the neighborhood and reactivate the area; he still
has concerns regarding the traffic, and it would be a good idea for
the City to take a look at the Red Hill circulation; the trash collection
plan is an innovative idea; it will be interesting to see how it works;
he supports the project.
Offered his compliments to the project, staff, and the developer; this
project can serve as a model for that part of the City; commended
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Lee
Puckett
Floyd
Mr. Magstadt
Floyd
9:03 p.m.
Adopted Resolution 5.
No. 4056, 4-1;
Nielsen, no
staffs responses to the neighbors' issues and concerns; the
materials and architectural styles introduce a contemporary look
and feel to the area; the setbacks and screening along the west
end of the project are excellent; he supports the project.
Echoed the other Commissioners' comments; this will be an
attractive community in an area of need; moved for approval of the
project.
Stated that, in all his years on the Planning Commission and City
Council, he cannot remember being more excited about a project
than this one; the paseos are one example of the attractiveness of
this project; the neighbors will be looking at a very nice project
rather than the back of a building; the project will enhance the area,
and he looks forward to its completion and hopes more areas will
be upgraded with such projects.
Thanked the applicant for bringing the project to Tustin; while this
has been a long project, staff makes sure all the projects meet the
City's high standards; asked that the applicant continue the good
relationship with the homeowners in the surrounding area.
Verified with the applicant that the modifications to the conditions of
approval met with his approval.
Noted that Commissioner Lee had made a motion and asked for a
second. Commissioner Puckett seconded the motion. Motion
ca rried 5-0.
Returned to the lectern to state that staff was tough but fair.
Called a brief recess.
Chair Floyd resumed the meeting.
CODE AMENDMENT 06-005 (SIGN REGULATIONS)
AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY'S SIGN REGULATIONS
CONTAINED IN CHAPTER 4 OF ARTICLE 9 OF THE
TUSTIN CITY CODE. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS
PERTAIN PRIMARILY TO THE REGULATION OF
TEMPORARY SIGNS IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY,
INCLUDING REAL ESTATE OPEN HOUSE SIGNS,
POLITICAL SIGNS, AND HUMAN SIGNS. LESS
SIGNIFICANT CHANGES INCLUDE: A REVISED
DEFINITIONS SECTION, A REVISED HEARINGS AND
APPEALS SECTION, LARGER PERMITTED BANNER
SIGNS FOR SOME FREEWAY-FACING BUILDINGS; AND
THE ADDITION OF A PERMITTED SIGN TYPE _
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TEMPORARY SIGNS
ORGANIZATIONS.
RECOMMENDATION:
FOR
NONPROFIT
That the Planning Commission adopt Resolution No. 4056
recommending that the City Council adopt Code
Amendment No. 06-005 to amend Chapter 4 "Sign
Regulations" of Article 9 of the Tustin City Code.
9:04 p.m.
The Public Hearing opened.
Reekstin
Presented the staff report.
Director
Indicated that she and the' City Attorney would like to provide
refinement to the noncommercial and political sign language in the
ordinance before the ordinance goes to the City Council.
Floyd
Asked if that would involve another ordinance.
Director
Answered in the negative; it would be the same ordinance but
maybe on page 22 language would be added regarding
noncommercial signs and noncommercial political signs to clarify
that one relates to noncommercial signs in the right-of-way and the
other noncommercial political signs in the right-of-way just to make
it clear that one relates specifically to political signs.
Kozak
Asked if it would be necessary to revise the motion.
Director
Responded in the negative; no technical change is planned; the
provisions would apply to not erecting the signs more than 45 days
before and removed five calendar days after, etc.
Puckett
Stated that 45 days before and five days after will be a welcome
improvement.
Floyd
Asked for clarification regarding the map that was provided showing
where signs may be placed.
Reekstin
Indicated that the graphic was meant to represent different types of
public rights-of-way that might exist along City streets and not at
one particular intersection.
Floyd
Referred to human signs and asked what the Code currently allows
regarding enforcement.
Director
Responded that the current Code does not permit human signs.
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Floyd
Verified that all the human signs on the street corners are illegal.
Director
Answered in the affirmative, depending upon where the person is
standing; human signs should be 200 feet back from the
intersection and not twirling.
Nielsen
Suggested that directional signs will be limited, generic signs can
be any color with arrows and identification, and open house sign
limitations have been eliminated.
Director
Answered that Commissioner Nielsen was correct.
Floyd
Suggested that open house signs will now be the directional signs.
Holland
Pointed out that was what the ordinance was intended to do:
change the open house signs to directional signs; the intention was
to add the exception in order to distinguish between directional
signs and commercial signs
9:15 p.m.
The Public Hearing closed.
Nielsen
Suggested that the original intent was, for public safety and
aesthetic reasons, to address the primary clutter of real estate
signs; the rest of the Code is well thought out, particularly political
signs and other noncommercial signs; it seems the City is forcing
the real estate industry to buy different colored signs with no
limitation and changing very little of the wording; in his view, the
changes are insignificant and the Code could stay as it was.
Floyd
Stated that his observation regarding the concems of the
community in general was that the real estate signs became so
prolific they became advertising units for a particular agent or
house; with the change, there will no longer be individual signs for
every agency; this option seems better than the possibility of
prohibiting the signs which had been one option.
Nielsen
Indicated he understood Chair Floyd's point but still does not feel
the revisions will not change what the Commission originally
intended to change.
Lee
Agreed with the intent of the changes; and, stated it will be
interesting to see what develops; this seems a good start and the
best option yet presented.
Kozak
Suggested that the public outreach after the City Council adopts
this ordinance notifying the Chamber of Commerce and the Real
Estate Association of the changes could perhaps include the sign
manufacturers in order to provide some guidance to make
decisions consistent with the ordinance.
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Floyd
Indicated that staff would not be allowed to direct anyone to a sign
company, only provide the ordinance as the current standard.
Kozak
Thanked the Chair for that clarification; and, stated he was only
suggesting that, as part of the public outreach, the companies that
produce the signs could be provided the new information.
Reekstin
Indicated that staff would be able to provide such outreach.
Kozak
Thanked staff for the work they will be doing on the administration
citation ordinance regarding enforcement of the standards and
conditions in the new ordinance; in general terms, there were
aspects of the ordinance previously sent to the Council with which
he was not in complete agreement; however, on balance it was a
good ordinance and contained a solid approach to resolving the
issues and bring some structure to what seemed to be a situation
that was out of control in some areas; the Planning Commission
identified the definitions for the human signs which would be
consistent with the First Amendment public free speech rights and
that is an improvement; there has been agreement at the legislative
level regarding political signs; therefore, with all the process that
has been gone through, he is ready to support the ordinance with
the clarifications that staff will make and looks forward to getting this
on the books.
Puckett
Congratulated staff on taking the time to meet with the Chamber
and the real estate industry to resolve issues; increasing the
ordinance to include the sphere of influence will be a plus; the time
limitations for political signs is long overdue; he supports the
ordinance.
Floyd
Agreed that this has been a long process and he hopes the Council
will adopt this ordinance; it may not be perfect but comes close and
will reduce the sign blight.
Nielsen
Noted that he understands staff worked hard on a difficult issue;
there was input from the Chamber and the real estate industry
which he appreciated; however, his view is that this forces
something on the real estate community and will not accomplish
much on the real estate side; the rest of the ordinance is good.
Floyd
Stated the next issue addressed should be regulating the human
signs.
It was moved by Puckett, seconded by Kozak to adopt Resolution
No. 4056. Motion carried 4-1. Nielsen voted no.
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Adopted Resolution 6.
No. 4057
9:29 p.m.
CODE AMENDMENT 07-001 (PLANNING COMMISSION/
HISTORIC RESOURCE COMMITTEE CONSOLIDATION)
AMENDMENT TO TUSTIN CITY CODE SECTION 9252
SUBSECTION C RELATED TO ASSIGNING CULTURAL
AND HISTORIC RESOURCES RESPONSIBILITIES TO
THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE PLANNING
COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL MAY MODIFY THE
CODE AMENDMENTS AS A RESULT OF THE PUBLIC
HEARINGS. THE PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENTS
ARE NOT "PROJECTS" PURSUANT TO THE
PROVISIONS OF THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL
QUALITY ACT (CEQA) AND ARE EXEMPT FROM
FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS.
RECOMMENDATION:
That the Planning Commission adopt Resolution No. 4057
recommending that the City Council adopt Code
Amendment No. 07-001 amending Section 9252 Subsection
C of the Tustin City Code related to assigning cultural and
historic resources responsibilities to the Planning
Commission.
The Public Hearing opened.
Director
Presented the staff report.
Floyd
Asked if there are currently five members on the Historic Resource
Commission (HRC).
Director
Answered in the affirmative.
Floyd
Asked if those committee members had been notified of this
change.
Director
Answered in the affirmative.
Floyd
Requested further information regarding the activities and
responsibilities of the Committee.
Director
Stated the Planning Commission will have the ability to do all the
things listed in the staff report which was the HRC work program;
once the ordinance is adopted, the Planning Commission may
decide what the Commission would like the program to be.
Floyd
Indicated his feeling was that the Commission should continue to
do exactly what the HRC has been doing.
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Nielsen
Floyd
Puckett
Director
9:39 p.m.
None
Director reported
Floyd
Director
Floyd
Director
Holland
Stated he agreed with Chair Floyd but felt the Commission should
also look at the entire duties in a workshop format.
Agreed with Commissioner Nielsen; and, added that this should be
an extended workshop to explore the additional responsibilities this
will entail.
Asked if these responsibilities would be included within the regular
meeting format of the Planning Commission.
Answered in the affirmative.
The Public Hearing closed.
It was moved by Puckett, seconded by Kozak, to adopt Resolution
No. 4057. Motioned carried 5-0.
REGULAR BUSINESS
STAFF CONCERNS
REPORT OF ACTIONS TAKEN AT THE MARCH 6, 2007, CITY
COUNCIL MEETING.
The City Council appealed the Planning Commission's approval of
the fibercement siding at 200 South A Street; the hearing before the
Council is scheduled for April 3, 2007.
The City Council approved Design Review 06-013 related to the
Pasadena Well site.
Commented the beautiful design of this structure brings a new
standard to Tustin; and, asked where the design might be available
for viewing.
Indicated that staff could forward the PowerPoint presentation to
the Planning Commissioners.
Asked that staff provide the presentation; all the Commissioners
should have a chance to see it.
Noted that the tour of The District at The Legacy is planned for 5:30
p.m., March 27, 2007; everyone should meet in front of the Council
Chamber and travel to the site together in a City-owned van.
Stated that the change in the Planning Commission meeting date
presented a conflict for Jason Retterer who would no longer be
attending; introduced David Kendig who will now be attending the
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Planning Commission meetings; and, provided a brief description
of Mr. Kendig's professional experience.
Floyd
Asked that Mr. Holland send the Commission's regards and best
wishes to Mr. Retterer; and, welcomed Mr. Kendig.
COMMISSION CONCERNS
Nielsen
Stated he attended the opening of Old Town Flooring, a nice event
with excellent hospitality.
Complimented staff for putting together quickly and efficiently the
mountain of information provided on the agenda items this evening.
Indicated he would appreciate further study regarding the parking
studies taking place in the area where the Red Hill project is
occurring and having that information provided to the Commission.
Lee
Thanked staff for their hard work.
Indicated he had meetings in Santa Clarita and decided to take the
train which resulted in a 14-hour day; the Metrolink does not
provide enough stops in Tustin; pressure should be put on the
Orange County Transportation Authority to remedy this situation.
Puckett
Stated he and other members of the Commission attended the
Comerica Bank ribbon-cutting; the Bank officials were very
impressed by the work of the Tustin Chamber in bringing people
out to this event.
Noted that Tuesday night is a good meeting night.
Commented that it was nice to see Boy Scouts in attendance this
evening; and, added that he hoped they enjoyed their experience of
seeing the community in action.
Asked if the appeal of the 200 South A Street siding will require
Michele Young to start from the beginning; or, could the Council
approve the proposal.
Director
Answered the Council can approve what the Planning Commission
approved, deny the Commission's recommendation, approve the
original redwood siding, or take any action they choose.
Floyd
Stated he attended the Chipotle ribbon-cutting; and, encouraged all
the Commissioners to attend such openings.
Noted that Comerica Bank wrote a letter to the Tustin Chamber
stating they had never seen such a turnout from a City; having City
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Kozak
officials attend such openings helps the businesses and proves that
the City supports local business establishments.
Thanked staff for the thorough reports.
Noted the General Plan Annual Report was included as part of the
Consent Calendar; this is a very impressive document that required
a great deal of hard work and staff is to be commended.
Indicated he is looking forward to the tour of The District.
Offered greetings to Doug Holland, best wishes to Jason Retterer,
and welcome to David Kendig.
9:53 p.m.
ADJOURNMENT
The next regular meeting of the Planning Commission will be held
Tuesday, March 27, 2007, at 7:00 p.m. in the City Council
Chamber at 300 Centennial Way, with a tour of The District
beginning at 5:30 p.m.
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